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AilliA21d ago
TIL: One can be shadowbanned on Nostr. Sad. 📝 e7f0add6…
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shortwavesurfer200921d ago
Only on specific clients.
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AilliA21d ago
I don’t use any specific clients - I use almost everything that can be used via Tor browser 📝 0409aa45…
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shortwavesurfer200921d ago
Only on specific clients.
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kyle-moore21d ago
who holds the shadowy ban hammer on nostr? i've noticed those who get banned on trad social have "i'm banned everywhere" glasses on.
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Lysergic4cid21d ago
lol i just asked about this web of trust thing today in a post bc i was thinking that its just a self chosen censoring algorythm but asked for explanation if its just my lack of knowledge the only reply i got that its bullshit, and it seems that several ppl agree on this with us thanks for the confirmation
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TheFuzzStone17d ago
Disable Web of Trust shit. Moreover, Nostr is not about the “number of subscribers,” but about quality. I follow your npub, and there is no one in this world who can forbid me from doing so.
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weev21d ago
Look in the various clients you’re using. Some of them will allow you to disable WoT.
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AilliA21d ago
yep, looking rn )
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AilliA19d ago
just set 'See content from everyone' in nostrudel, hope that gets around your shadowban :) check it out: I found your old #2600 buddy https://xcancel.com/freQniKs/status/2026586828657070347 turns out we have common friends... small world ))
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Tamelessly21d ago
Have you tried nostter?
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AilliA21d ago
I don’t use any specific clients - I use almost everything that can be used via Tor browser 📝 0409aa45…
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weev21d ago
Look in the various clients you’re using. Some of them will allow you to disable WoT.
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AilliA21d ago
yep, looking rn )
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AilliA19d ago
just set 'See content from everyone' in nostrudel, hope that gets around your shadowban :) check it out: I found your old #2600 buddy https://xcancel.com/freQniKs/status/2026586828657070347 turns out we have common friends... small world ))
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Tamelessly21d ago
Have you tried nostter?
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weev21d ago
under Web of Trust, the people you follow are the main signal by which your client filters. So if you follow people who have muted me, you are going to end up not seeing my posts in some context. This carries over to extra layers in some implementations, which means not only the people you follow can influence the censorship algorithm, but the people that your followers follow as well. While Web of Trust was a good idea, unfortunately there are already people abusing it for censorship purposes. The designers of WoT imagined that people would be using it to report spam. But the reality is that there are now popular accounts running around muting people for political reasons, in hopes that nobody will see their posts.
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weev21d ago
Here’s a helpful visualization for you to understand: https://freakoverse.github.io/wotonnostr/
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AilliA21d ago
not yet, I'll try tomorrow. Thanks for the pointers! :)
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Lysergic4cid21d ago
let me know if you found some answers please, i feel like these shadow banning entities are tryna get me as well lol, i havent found the solution yet
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AilliA19d ago
nostter.app does not seem to even load via Tor browser ((
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weev19d ago
you should consider getting a tor router and a bad goy laptop. I use a Raspberry Pi as an access point that transparently routes all my content through tor, and then I can use a TCP-based openvpn or alternative browsers when something doesn’t render. Then I keep anything that is linked to my identity on laptops that only connect to that access point.
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AilliA21d ago
not yet, I'll try tomorrow. Thanks for the pointers! :)
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Lysergic4cid21d ago
let me know if you found some answers please, i feel like these shadow banning entities are tryna get me as well lol, i havent found the solution yet
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AilliA19d ago
nostter.app does not seem to even load via Tor browser ((
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weev19d ago
you should consider getting a tor router and a bad goy laptop. I use a Raspberry Pi as an access point that transparently routes all my content through tor, and then I can use a TCP-based openvpn or alternative browsers when something doesn’t render. Then I keep anything that is linked to my identity on laptops that only connect to that access point.
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Soul Reaver21d ago
It seems even on Nostr the tentacles of censorship can fester at different levels, especially at client level I assume. What's the solution, besides turning WoT off and not using aggressive clients?
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weev21d ago
Firstly, I think WoT is a good start, but there needs to be an escape hatch to prevent misuse by well funded state actors. There needs to be an authoritative list of people that *are not spammers*. Some kind of free speech authority that can provide a list of people who have been targeted by people who maliciously manipulate Web of Trust. The same authority should also provide a list of npubs and NIP-05 handles which have been shown to block people who are not spam. So as to not remove the ability of Web of Trust to prevent abuse, but also to make sure that both those targeted by WoT abuse are not subject to malicious censorship, and those doing the targeting are simply no longer considered valid sources of WoT weights.
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AilliA19d ago
yeah, I already have several devices, but I need them for my fiat / normie side of life)) For Moner/bazaar-related stuff, I use spare GrapheneOS Pixels, which works pretty well so far. That said, I'm definitely planning to get a dedicated Linux laptop and use Masked Tor through HydraVeil (one of whose nodes I run myself, lol http://privacyy3tsy4mge4qmg4nsid2vnhl7szzupphhkfsxvayx5tl…).
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Dd1fd79…1f244719d ago
Thoughts on this new technology? Would it work when I intentionally throw out verbal chaff to disguise my writing style or is there too many verbal cues that I never think of? What if I ran every post through an LLM that randomizes textual tics? https://simonlermen.substack.com/p/large-scale-online-dea…
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AilliA19d ago
yeah, I already have several devices, but I need them for my fiat / normie side of life)) For Moner/bazaar-related stuff, I use spare GrapheneOS Pixels, which works pretty well so far. That said, I'm definitely planning to get a dedicated Linux laptop and use Masked Tor through HydraVeil (one of whose nodes I run myself, lol http://privacyy3tsy4mge4qmg4nsid2vnhl7szzupphhkfsxvayx5tl…).
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Dd1fd79…1f244719d ago
Thoughts on this new technology? Would it work when I intentionally throw out verbal chaff to disguise my writing style or is there too many verbal cues that I never think of? What if I ran every post through an LLM that randomizes textual tics? https://simonlermen.substack.com/p/large-scale-online-dea…
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Raison d'État21d ago
Won't that "free speech authority" be immediately targeted for coption?
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weev21d ago
no. Look at the powers I just delegated to it. They only get two powers: 1) to remove censorship by designating a legitimate person engaged in good faith posting as not a spammer and asking subscribing clients to disregard posts against them when determining WoT weights 2) to remove the capability for singular accounts to mark others as spammers, and asking subscribing clients to disregard their graph data when determining WoT actions. They are not allowed to censor. They do not have the ability to censor anyone. There is still not centralized authority that can call someone spam. They can only stop someone from being labeled a spammer maliciously. It’s a reverse RBL.
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Tamelessly18d ago
I'm considering learning more languages because of this, your personality changes over the languages you talk, you could still translate your russian text to english using an llm and still be understood.
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weev18d ago
Why translate Russian back to English? Just pipe all outgoing text through it with instructions to rewrite it in the style of John Keats or HP Lovecraft.
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Tamelessly18d ago
I'm considering learning more languages because of this, your personality changes over the languages you talk, you could still translate your russian text to english using an llm and still be understood.
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weev18d ago
Why translate Russian back to English? Just pipe all outgoing text through it with instructions to rewrite it in the style of John Keats or HP Lovecraft.
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Raison d'État21d ago
Not useful for censorship directly, you're right, but potentially quite useful for advantaging malicious favoured accounts, and for burying disfavoured accounts under a "slide" of autogenerated/spam content. But I suppose if we had multiple "free speech authorities" setup as DVMs clients could query, this could still be a net plus...
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weev21d ago
Well, as it stands, it is impossible to monitor and weigh in on every muting and abuse report on Nostr. But it is much easier to monitor the behavior of a guy running the “these are real posters” whitelist. Because spam is just incredibly easy to identify. If you’ve ever installed SpamAssassin on an email server, you know that Bayesian filters work pretty well and you basically never get spam again. I also think there are going to be very few people getting malicious subject to false reports, and it mostly involves politically sensitive subjects and controversial speakers. So it is a very easy job to analyze the whitelist and verify that accounts aren’t spam. Because they have posts like mine — human looking full paragraph posts that are not repetive and don’t contain an excess of links or financial tickers. We know spam when we see it. And if one of the authorities is whitelisting spam, I think that can be identified very quickly and they can have their authority revoked.
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Tamelessly18d ago
Because LLM generated text is very identifiable and will not be considered in a normal discussion but Ignored even If we all agree that this is the solution
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Tamelessly18d ago
Because LLM generated text is very identifiable and will not be considered in a normal discussion but Ignored even If we all agree that this is the solution
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Raison d'État21d ago
Yes, that is how I verify accounts before following. I'm very wary of delegating authority to any individual or well-defined group, even just white-listing. I think people would be more tolerant of spam-whitelisting authorities than you think - "yeah he allows TON spam, but at least he never approves Flat Earthers" etc etc. That way lies madness and #fediverse...
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