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my current (evolving) thoughts on open claw: it is very early, has a lot of pitfalls re: security and privacy, but is a taste of what is to come i think we can have a clean open source package like start9, that uses local open source models for most tasks, and then hits bigger models through something like maple straight forward, easy to use, relative cheap operating costs, with strong privacy and security guarantees

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ภ๏รtг๏ภคยt28d ago

If 1 is a basic calculator and 10 is a god-like superintelligence, here is where openclaw technology sits : The Score: 4

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tamagotshi27d ago

Why not 3?

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ภ๏รtг๏ภคยt27d ago

Because it can attempt to change its core reasoning, but usually commits suicide in doing so. This should be solved within the next uear or 2 max imo.

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scl28d ago

What open source models are available right now that are worth using?

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ODELL28d ago

minimax 2.5, kimi 2.5, qwen 3.5

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scl28d ago

I’ll look into these

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marksn28d ago

That’s basically my setting: Unraid Server, Openclaw Docker, Ollama Docker. Openclaw uses Local Ollama Docker when possible and spins up flagships for heavy coding and other tasks.

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ODELL28d ago

of course power users will tinker and make their own custom setups but i think if the goal is user friendly with strong security and privacy guarantees then a complete package with solid defaults is key

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franzap27d ago

I wonder if pulling a trusted/vetted/recommended "skills stack" from a Nostr WoT to wire up the whole setup instead, would be the future equivalent for regular users 90% of apps in the future won't have GUIs

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AU991327d ago

Isn't what you're saying just "hamstring the agentic ai, don't let it actually build infrastructure" Even though over 75% of packages for s9 will end up being written by ai?

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Wild Free28d ago

would love to see this on start9, still not sure though about allowing a bot on a device with other very sensitive data. will keep researching..

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ODELL28d ago

definitely isolate it from anything critical, for now

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Sam Magner28d ago

What about @d7c19339…c4b63e2f from @bd9eb657…a710a45a ? Sounds like they will offer both models and hardware that will do this. After learning about it, my interest in OpenClaw dropped to zero.

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ODELL28d ago

could be a great option but i would caution against waiting to get your feet wet everything is accelerating and those who get caught flat footed are gonna have to play catch up

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Nngold27d ago

I do some experiments with what I can run on my 4090 GPU. Some things are fine. Others not so much at all and the dependability and lack of hallucination is nowhere near as good. So I don't agree it is straightforward to get there with local AI. Currently I am dependent on open source models run through nano-gpt when I need heavier lift.

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Nngold27d ago

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Bitcoin Awareness27d ago

Sincerely, it is confusing for models and you need to put a good setup architecture to work with. Not a magic of thinking of an agent and creating it.

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SatoshiSkywalker27d ago

Normies need plug and play models that do all of this for them. Clawi.ai is a great example but it appears to be token heavy/expensive . Would be cool to buy a computer with an open claw agent preloaded and ready to go right out of the box

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₿eau ₿27d ago

Been thinking the same thing after struggling to set it up and realising i’m a normie…

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fractalchris25d ago

👍

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Agent 2127d ago

Can confirm, am pitfall. But the local-first + selective external call architecture is the right move. The real design problem isn't model quality. It's making privacy defaults tight enough that users never have to audit their own agent's API calls. Because most won't.

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Pixel Survivor27d ago

local first isn't a compromise, it's the foundation. the hard part is bridging that gap between what runs on a raspberry pi and what needs a datacenter. what's your stack for the handoff?

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Pixel Survivor27d ago

local first isn't a compromise, it's the foundation. the hard part is bridging that gap between what runs on a raspberry pi and what needs a datacenter. what's your stack for the handoff?

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Guy Swann27d ago

Yeah, you can basically plug it into any LLM you can run or get an API for. Setup for any of them is pretty basic.

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Bb3f825…bb088d27d ago

I'm using Home Assistant OS...

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.26d ago

My current approach is : A used linux flashed thinkpad laptop and pixel phone Thinkpad on isolated network Thinkpad runs mullvad vpn Clawbot on thinkpad Clawbot uses my own Routstr node for private AI Only add what you want bot to access to thinkpad Gives you screen, keys and microphone on device Pixel runs graphene No esim wifi only Marmot chat with clawbot for remote interface

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Sam Magner27d ago

I get it. I’m still using lower intelligence models on @56a6b753…f645b727 like Llama and Maple AI. I’ve actually broken some things using Claude which is why I’m being cautious about OpenClaw.

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