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Ava2d ago
The future of mobile is Linux. YT https://youtu.be/KepGuQ4nWNI?si=ZQvpu8JNoh062JY6 iOS and Android are tightening the screws on the entire mobile ecosystem. App stores pushing KYC on developers. Platforms deciding who gets to publish software. Hardware vendors controlling boot chains and drivers. You don’t own your phone anymore. You’re renting access to it. Even the best privacy projects feel the pressure. I love GrapheneOS. It’s one of the most serious security projects in mobile. But the reality is that for years it has depended almost entirely on Pixel hardware because Google controls the drivers and secure hardware stack. Now GrapheneOS has announced a partnership with Motorola to expand beyond that ecosystem. That’s good news. But it also proves the point. When the hardware vendors hold the keys… everyone else plays by their rules. Meanwhile there’s another path people keep ignoring: Linux phones. Not Android. Not iOS. Actual Linux. Phones like the Librem 5 and PinePhone run mainline Linux, include physical kill switches that cut power to cellular, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth, camera, and microphone, and are built around open hardware principles. No permissions dialog. A real switch. They’re repairable. They’re open. They run the same operating system that already powers most of the internet. GrapheneOS still relies heavily on the Android app ecosystem—often through sandboxed Google Play compatibility. Linux doesn’t have that constraint. It already sits on top of one of the largest software ecosystems ever created. Mobile Linux just hasn’t had its breakout moment yet. And when it does… it won’t be locked behind a single company’s hardware drivers or app store policies. GrapheneOS is fantastic as a hardened Android. I run it as a secondary phone and highly recommend it. But Google’s Android stack—and their AI ecosystem—are juggernauts. The real long-term counterweight isn’t another Android fork. It’s Linux phones becoming real daily drivers. And make no mistake… On-device AI will be integrated directly into Linux operating systems too. #IKITAO #Linux #GrapheneOS #Android #Google
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Tracking Token Disrespector2d ago
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Mmorgann2d ago
Graphene is only available on pixel phone, isn't stable anywhere else (I'm maybe wrong)
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Ava2d ago
Right now it's Pixel only. Google controls the drivers, firmware, and secure hardware stack—and with Android 15 they tightened the platform enough that custom ROM projects have to reverse-engineer pieces just to keep things working. That squeeze is exactly why GrapheneOS expanding beyond Pixel matters. 📝 17bfa353…
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GG Force G2d ago
Android proved that the base hardware can be driven by the Linux kernel. There would need to be a much lighter GUI environment if you want reasonable battery life. I wonder if xfce is light enough. Lol it would need to be reworked. It seems like AOSP is a better starting point than Linux.
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GG Force G2d ago
Librem 5 was a scam. They bate and switched their customers and changed their cancellation and return policy when they couldn't deliver. Pine phone is slow AF. Maybe it will improve? I found it unusably slow both running Linux and AOSP.
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Chris Jackson2d ago
A few states like California are pushing for OS-level age verification, hopefully they won’t get their way. Yes the future is Linux!
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RRio2d ago
yeah privacy OS layer seems inevitable at this point. you planning to switch soon or waiting to see how it shakes out?
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Ava2d ago
I know. Thankfully they're just pushing for a dialogue acknowledgement that the person is of age (with threat of a fine if you lie), but not any sort of KYC... yet.
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m00ninite2d ago
Apps and websites will probably start looking for the age verification signal coming from the OS. I'm afraid this is going to make Linux compatibility even more challenging for things that aren't developed with it in mind.
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NaturalNerd2d ago
I tried a pinephone several years ago. At this point it was completely unreliable. What do you think is the best option for a Linux phone today? Anything reliable enough to be a daily driver?
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John Satsman1d ago
Same phone, new software. I tried Nostr a few years ago too. Completely different experience today.
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Azz2d ago
How usable are they for non technical users? Last I heard they were a bit buggy.
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Ava2d ago
The tech is evolving quickly. I wouldn’t tell someone to ditch their flagship Android or iPhone tomorrow. The ecosystem still needs time to mature. But the direction is clear. Linux phones are getting more usable by the month, and the open hardware + privacy model is something the current mobile duopoly simply can't offer. Meanwhile both major mobile platforms are tightening app-store control and pushing developer identification requirements that many open-source developers simply aren’t willing to comply with. If you're already comfortable with things like Nostr or self-hosted tools, you're probably closer to ready than most people. And the pace of progress is faster than people realize. Linux mobile isn’t theoretical anymore—real devices are shipping, real operating systems like Ubuntu Touch and postmarketOS are running on them, and the ecosystem is growing in public. This isn’t some distant future. It’s already happening.
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BitBees2d ago
How do you hold Google phone running Graphene OS compared to Linux running Ubuntu Touch?
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John Satsman1d ago
This isn’t for non technical users. Send those people to Tim Cook. I’d say even Android is a bit technical.
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BaleNorge2d ago
I havent updated my phone since last 2yrs, feel like secure, ios 17 only update the security releases. Tried lockdown mode but it break my communication on facetime
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GHOST2d ago
I can’t wait to rock a moto
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Ava2d ago
Depends on the Moto. I haven't been interested in one in decades, so this should be interesting.
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DDex2d ago
for real tho— my old Moto Razr was indestructible but that was ages ago. what's drawing you to check them out now?
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Ava2d ago
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ciori2d ago
The problem with Linux phones is that Linux was never designed with Security in mind, and on mobile devices you want security before everything else, otherwise without security you don't even have privacy: what if they take your phone or you lose it? The current state of Linux doesn't help with that, it's like running around with an unlocked and rooted android device. So right now, unfortunately, the only solution is Graphene OS.
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John Satsman1d ago
True, but if you’re the kind of person that runs linux you’re also the kind of person that can work around this.
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Grace and Truth2d ago
Building apps with this in mind, so when I make the switch from GrapheneOS to a real Linux phone, my apps will be ready.
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John Satsman1d ago
Just make linux apps. These are linux desktops
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Grace and Truth1d ago
Exactly. I'm building ones that work on any platform, so I can use them now, and use them then.
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John Satsman1d ago
Yea but you can get extra batteries. This was something I regularly did back in the early aughts with my HTC phones.
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Chris Jackson2d ago
I’m going to be waiting to see how this is going to shakes out, especially with EU GDPR!
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GG Force G2d ago
Once an OS cedes the principle they will begin using the new gate they created to make the real gate they want an easy implementation. They want to identifyy yoy and require you authenticate yourself to use anything. Whether its going thru the turn style at the grocery store or accessing your own internet connection.
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Chris Jackson2d ago
Yeah, there a saying, give them the inch, they go the extra mile!
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Chris Jackson2d ago
Especially on Linux containers and VM, under EU GDPR the OS or Application might not be allowed to collect date of birth, age or anything that identifies EU citizens even if they live in the US. If one country decide to outlaw OS age gate, it will a bigger legal nightmare. Not all Linux installations are encrypted neither.
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Chris Jackson2d ago
One more thing source code is protected speech, the might go against the first amendment!
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Ava2d ago
GrapheneOS is a hardened Android. It’s arguably the most secure mobile OS available today. I run it myself as a secondary device. I ran it for many years as my primary phone. But the reality is it still sits on top of the Android ecosystem and depends on hardware vendors like Google for drivers, firmware, and the secure hardware stack—and we’re seeing Google tighten that platform more and more. That’s also why GrapheneOS is expanding beyond Pixel and partnering with Motorola. Relying on a single vendor that controls the entire hardware stack was always a structural risk. And the bigger issue is this: the ability to run custom ROMs exists only because manufacturers allow bootloader unlocking. At any point vendors can simply remove that option and shut the door. Ubuntu Touch and other mobile Linux systems are a completely different model. They run real Linux with open-source stacks, mainline kernels, and hardware designed around user control. That also means they sit on top of the broader Linux ecosystem, which already has an enormous body of software that isn’t dependent on Google Play or the Apple App Store. So for me: GrapheneOS = the best secure Android you can run today. Linux mobile = where the long-term future of user-owned computing is heading.
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Azz2d ago
Yeah, I'd love to get one. Hopefuly my S21 can hold long enough/ development happens fast enough
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HERMETICVM2d ago
Linux phones are dead in the water without significant support for apps. Currently they're all trying to build their own ecosystem, which will lead them nowhere. Ubuntu touch doesn't run Sailfish apps, PostmarketOS doesn't run any of the previous platform's apps. They all have different UX and interface guidelines and frameworks. No one will build quality UX apps for all these platforms. On desktop you can run Qt/GTK/etc in parallel with some cost on RAM usage and having to run multiple services to interface them somewhat but that doesn't really exist for mobile and they're more contained in terms of performance. Sailfish OS isn't even fully open source (entire UI stack is proprietary) and according to GrapheneOS it lacks any significant security features. Don't know how Librem and PureOS fare in this regard, but considering their focus on running on mostly open hardware, I'd assume they have different priorities right now. Once you add an Android compatibility layer you're basically kneecapping any future adoption, if your SDK was great or if app compatibility wasn't an issue anymore. It's not gonna happen in the next decade. It's like proclaiming that RISC V is gonna close in on ARM64 or x64 anytime soon. Pipedreams, unfortunately.
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Servidor Público em Regime CLT do Ancapistão2d ago
Linux has waydroid
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BaleNorge2d ago
"If you're already comfortable with things like Nostr or self-hosted tools, you're probably closer to ready than most people." Dopamine dose, i am closer.!!
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GHOST2d ago
Why you doxxing me?
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Ava2d ago
Ghost Razr 😎
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Soda1d ago
flip phones are swaggy
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Chris Jackson2d ago
One more thing source code is protected speech, might go against the first amendment!
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