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Ava2d ago
GrapheneOS is a hardened Android. It’s arguably the most secure mobile OS available today. I run it myself as a secondary device. I ran it for many years as my primary phone. But the reality is it still sits on top of the Android ecosystem and depends on hardware vendors like Google for drivers, firmware, and the secure hardware stack—and we’re seeing Google tighten that platform more and more. That’s also why GrapheneOS is expanding beyond Pixel and partnering with Motorola. Relying on a single vendor that controls the entire hardware stack was always a structural risk. And the bigger issue is this: the ability to run custom ROMs exists only because manufacturers allow bootloader unlocking. At any point vendors can simply remove that option and shut the door. Ubuntu Touch and other mobile Linux systems are a completely different model. They run real Linux with open-source stacks, mainline kernels, and hardware designed around user control. That also means they sit on top of the broader Linux ecosystem, which already has an enormous body of software that isn’t dependent on Google Play or the Apple App Store. So for me: GrapheneOS = the best secure Android you can run today. Linux mobile = where the long-term future of user-owned computing is heading.
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RRio2d ago
not sure linux itself has drawbacks—more that running it means stepping away from convenience. you find the tradeoff worth it, or do you value having everything just work more?
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BitBees2d ago
It is a commitment to sovereignty and discomfort is part of that pursuit. I understand flashing the Pixel with Graphene OS is no picnic either. I reckon it is similar to fasting, uncomfortable while you think about it, beneficial if you practice it despite discomfort.
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HERMETICVM2d ago
GrapheneOS web installer is quite simple. Managed to guide my 77yo dad through it in a video call.
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BitBees2d ago
Congratulations! Web installer? Is that for a pc, laptop? Mobile flashing is known to be a politely put nightmare. Do you mean following a web installation guide for mobile?
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HERMETICVM2d ago
It's a webapp you open in your browser. Uses WebUSB to speak to your phone throughout the process. It's quite hands off. Enable developer mode on the phone, set a toggle, connect the phone via USB, approve use of the phone in your browser, trigger the download of all images needed, reboot phone, hold two buttons, change a setting in the phones bootloader config using volume and power buttons (only really complicated step for most), then flashing will commence from the web installer. Last step is to change the toggle again to re-enable verified boot again. From now on everything else is an over the air update from GrapheneOS.
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BitBees2d ago
Seriously. After you described the first stuff, I thought that WAS the flashing. It was just the prep before flashing. Your confidence is encouraging, but I can’t figure out the key manager on my proton email even with @GHOST expert help/patience/explaining. I am willing, if a little wary of investing in the most sovereign option, the Linux phone. If @Ava says it is the future, you can bet your #bitcoin on it. So that means I had better get busy and figure this $%!# out.
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GHOST2d ago
You know I’ll do it for you if you want me to.
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BitBees2d ago
I do, and I remember you saying that. I would have mentioned it, but I did not want to expose you. If you say it, then it is ok. Check your Signal.
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