To say similar to @38a1cd1b…0d02fd09 in other words... You can put a smaller cup inside a cup. But not infinite cups. Not in the physical world. You can nest a finite number of finite things inside of a finite thing. Hence plank. Time is a finite sequence of states of finite addresses. You can't have infinite cups, recursive or otherwise. Computation does not create logic or truth. Computation is finite in space and time. Systems and processes are finite in space and time. (That's why we measure our programs with big O.) Logic and truth -> order -> time -> computation That's why we God is Truth. Logos. Those arrows are causation and they can't go the other way without become illogical. There can be no order without logic. Logos is the foundational principle of of order. There can be no intelligible finite being (time, conservation) without order. Order is the principle of time. We are intelligent, physicality is intelligible. The fact that we can ask the question proves the answer. This is what we mean my self-evident. Self evidence. Logos -> order -> intelligibility If it were not true you couldn't even ask the question. To the above point, this is why you can say that a "quantum computer" is a nonsense. I am not saying they are not doing interesting experiments with subatomic states. But the idea that you can push computation past plank is a literal non-sense. The ceiling is the floor. Lindblad is Planck. There is no sub-planck. There is no in-between. Everything they sneaking in with slileight of hand, reifying probabilities as superposed states, is reaching into a mathematical abstraction obeyond physical bounds. You can not compute beyond physical bounds because computation is a process and thus physical and definite. Eternity does not compute. It just is. There is no time outside of time. There is no change outside of time. There is not process outside of time. There is no system outside of time. There is Being, effecting Order, effecting Time. Process is only experienced within the state transformation of time. Infinity does not change. Change is an experienced within the finite state chain. All of the above is conclusively self-evident and necessary. (I do not mean that it is obvious. I am speaking strictly in formal logical terms.)