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Jack K3d ago
So would a universe inside of a universe invalidate itself? Or a ledger inside of a ledger? A computer inside of a computer? Genesis inside of Genesis? Nested systems do not invalidate the boundary that instantiated them; they reveal the rule-set that makes such nesting possible. What else does a computer do except execute logic across time? What other structure can you demonstrably point to that that preserves truth through time besides Bitcoin that we can both objectively agree upon? There is no second best logic to temporal non-contradiction. Bitcoin instantiated inside of Bitcoin is not an invalidation of Bitcoin, it’s matter of understanding the rules, logic and perspective of the temporal boundary. Bitcoin produces lasting truth and logic, but has a continually transforming utxo set. What would Bitcoin inside of Bitcoin looking like Conceptually, this would resemble UTXOs time-locked eternally in the father chain—state preserved under the outer rule-set while a new ordered history unfolds within a new temporal order.
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Neal3d ago
if by universe you mean “reality itself” then that breaks the meaning of the term. all the other examples you give are small worlds in a small world, and perfectly valid and coherent. i think the profundity of insights provided by bitcoin about reality are incalculable, but they won’t get me to flip the script on how we relate to reality itself. to me, what you do with time inverts that relation. your website referred to the continuity of time as an “assumed self referential axiom” it’s not assumed, it’s demonstrated and earned though a transcendental argument: it’s a necessary relation, a necessary precondition for anything to be at all. our rational faculty cannot draw a boundary around the big world, that is correct, what the big world means to us empirically is nonsensical, means nothing, beyond our mode of being. but, our rational faculty does recognize the way we relate to the beyond. what’s beyond the horizon of human rationality? not an answerable question, it’s a category error but how do we relate to the horizon? much and more can be known
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Neal3d ago
“What other structure can you demonstrably point to that that preserves truth through time besides Bitcoin that we can both objectively agree upon?” reality itself?
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Zsubmariner3d ago
To say similar to @Neal in other words... You can put a smaller cup inside a cup. But not infinite cups. Not in the physical world. You can nest a finite number of finite things inside of a finite thing. Hence plank. Time is a finite sequence of states of finite addresses. You can't have infinite cups, recursive or otherwise. Computation does not create logic or truth. Computation is finite in space and time. Systems and processes are finite in space and time. (That's why we measure our programs with big O.) Logic and truth -> order -> time -> computation That's why we God is Truth. Logos. Those arrows are causation and they can't go the other way without become illogical. There can be no order without logic. Logos is the foundational principle of of order. There can be no intelligible finite being (time, conservation) without order. Order is the principle of time. We are intelligent, physicality is intelligible. The fact that we can ask the question proves the answer. This is what we mean my self-evident. Self evidence. Logos -> order -> intelligibility If it were not true you couldn't even ask the question. To the above point, this is why you can say that a "quantum computer" is a nonsense. I am not saying they are not doing interesting experiments with subatomic states. But the idea that you can push computation past plank is a literal non-sense. The ceiling is the floor. Lindblad is Planck. There is no sub-planck. There is no in-between. Everything they sneaking in with slileight of hand, reifying probabilities as superposed states, is reaching into a mathematical abstraction obeyond physical bounds. You can not compute beyond physical bounds because computation is a process and thus physical and definite. Eternity does not compute. It just is. There is no time outside of time. There is no change outside of time. There is not process outside of time. There is no system outside of time. There is Being, effecting Order, effecting Time. Process is only experienced within the state transformation of time. Infinity does not change. Change is an experienced within the finite state chain. All of the above is conclusively self-evident and necessary. (I do not mean that it is obvious. I am speaking strictly in formal logical terms.)
Teo3d ago
I would love to hear the podcast. I'm imagining layers upon layers of spiraling fractal universes, propelled forward and connected by one eternal source of inspiration.
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