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Elon Musk keeps spamming this "universal high income" nonsense 😂 "All jobs will be optional. There will be universal high income." What could possibly go wrong if you put every citizen on the State's payroll? Surely, they won't abuse UBI (Universal Basic Income) in any way. Unfortunately, UBI is going to be inevitable. And UBI is not just "free money" as Elon would like you to believe. It's a control rail to manage the losers of the reset, stabilize consumption and harden behavioral obedience. Unfortunately, it's not about "ending poverty" 😂 UBI is a centrally engineered, always-on income stream from the State to individuals, delivered through traceable digital channels, with conditions hiding inside the surrounding system (ID, tax, social credit, eligibility rules). UBI is going to be perfect for soft policing: - Carrot: "Behave, and your floor is guaranteed." - Stick: "Break certain rules (tax, "health", speech, protest in the wrong way), and administratively you can be investigated, delayed, or temporarily cut off." It is a perfect on-ramp to the CBDC + ID stack. "To get your UBI, you must:" - register your digital wallet, - verify your ID, - keep your biometrics up to date, - accept the terms (AML, travel-rule, etc.). That brings everyone into the rails they already want for tax, surveillance, and capital controls. So essentially, UBI = social shock absorber + behavioral throttle after they've run the Great Reset.

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NNoob1d ago

I never got the UBI stuff. No government ever had the discipline to print alongside gains of its society productivity... why they would now? That smells like inflation to me.

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Control-Plane Capital1d ago

Most workers could become obsolete over a relatively short period of time (years, not decades) due to AI and robotics. Yes, UBI will be inflationary - just like Covid stimulus checks were inflationary. However, mass job losses and AI + robotics are deflationary, so UBI effectively undoes the deflation and adds inflation on top. They effectively steal most of the productivity that would have otherwise flowed to society. UBI only makes sense when coupled with CBDCs and Digital ID. Each UBI recipient must: - have a legal identity, - be KYC'ed in a compliant wallet, - link to an address/jurisdiction. The shift produces a large, semi-dispossessed class who: - can't rebuild real assets easily, - are structurally less employable in the old sense, - are still needed as consumers and as "consent mass". The question for states is: - "How do we stop these people from becoming an unmanageable insurgency, while still keeping them in the system and consuming?" The answer is UBI. Problem: manage surplus humans in an automated, high-control economy. Solution 1: UBI. Solution 2: Vaccines and war.

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Bitcoin Awareness1d ago

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Lunapilot1d ago

If UBI is just a once a week or month airdrop into a wallet with no strings attached then it might be a useful safety net for the less fortunate. Unfortunately, there are far too many people in society who think that people need to be controlled and monitored constantly (and a correspondently large number of people who would accept that just for an easy life...) We can see from the way that they are pushing Net Zero and Carbon Credits etc. that they want every aspect of our lives controlled centrally with a tiny elite (parasite) class at the top of the pyramid. Given the possibility that "The Great Taking" is actually true and that even things we think we own will be taken from us in the Great Reset, the future is looking quite bleak unless we come up with a solution fast!

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epsql1d ago

Well the solution should be Bitcoin in self custody, am I right?

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doublebubble1d ago

I mean, UBI always sounded like welfare to me 🤷‍♀️

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Control-Plane Capital1d ago

UBI is a bit different in terms of: 1. Universality - Welfare: targeted; you get it only if you pass means tests, specific conditions. - UBI: default for everyone in-system. - This removes some stigma, massively broadens dependency on the State rail. 2. Automation + digitization - Old welfare: messy bureaucracy, paper forms, case workers. - UBI: automated through CBDC + ID + AI: easy to adjust, integrated with tax & enforcement, fully surveilled. 3. Integration with macro policy - Welfare: budget decision, somewhat disconnected from high-frequency macro. - UBI: can be tuned algorithmically: raise by X in recessions or plandemics, cut in "overheating", modulate by region, etc. In the current world, welfare is effectively a patch on "capitalism". UBI will be presented as a new operating system: "We're in the post-work, AI age. This is your share of progress... as long as you obey (accept certain "health"/ID/compliance steps)." So UBI will become the moral anchor that justifies a lot of other control.

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doublebubble1d ago

But in terms of: -not working -being completwly dependent on the state -not having a nice house--living in public housing or something like that -having the bare necessities, but not being able to eat nice foods, like good steaks, do expensive hobbies, like golfing, or take overseas vacations ... it's like being on welfare

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dustygrooves1d ago

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NNoob1d ago

Solution 1 is unfeasible long term. Again, if you print and give money to someone to buy rice, next iteration rice will be more expensive (because new money get in and quantity of rice production stood the same). And then you need to print more than the earlier iteration. And then more. For the same amount of rice (if demand is constant, ignoring people increasingly adhering to UBI). Parallel to this, rice productors will demand less and less that kind of money, and will try to export it to acquire better money (dollars, Bitcoin, gold). Govern will forbid it... supply then dumps, because there's no more economic meaning for the productor. Then, Government takes it, then they will ruin it. You first messed with demand, printing dollars, then messed with supply (by making it more inefficient). There are many hustoric examples all over showing this... I just put the pieces together here. UBI is unfeasible long term. Maybe it can buy a couple years for governments. That's it.

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Control-Plane Capital1d ago

There is no mass solution. Everyone has to find a solution for themselves. Yes, in an ideal world, you could help the less fortunate with a monthly stipend. In the current regime, they effectively become a weapon for the state. The Great Taking is true in the sense that they can legally steal people's assets, whether they decide to do it is the question.

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DDimi1d ago

The no-strings-attached is never going to happen but is not a desirable condition either; the problem is that the strings attached are only one-way at the moment. Back in simpler societies, when a generous father would patronise the expenditure of a child, the recklessness and other socially undesirable behaviours of said child would be personally incriminating to the father. Today's states have zero consequences for patronising and supporting bad behaviour. If a judge keeps releasing a serial rapist from prison, the state feeding him in food stamps, stipends, soup kitchens and other ways, can I sue the judge or the state when the rapist rapes my daughter next? UBI will try to come with strings attached that protect the bureaucracy's objectives - but the bureaucrats also have a way to wash their hands from the sins of their dependants this way.

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Lunapilot21h ago

I think a large part of this problem is that we have let "The State" take on the responsibility of "Society" (Yes, the two are separate entities even if we tend to conflate them!) Human society works fine when the number of people that are part of it are under Dunbar's number (between about 150 and 200 people) - when everyone knows everyone else, your personal reputation counts for a lot and justice is carried out by people who know you personally etc. Unfortunately, our societies have expanded to cover millions of people most of whom you will never hear about, let alone know them well enough to have an influence over. So we have let "The State" take on all forms of justice, law and even customs. Which has lead to impersonal, remote and official interactions which are weaponised by those who have other agendas... This will get even worse once the AI takes over all aspects of the State - Who programs the Programmer?

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