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the primal team spent a ton of time working on the new wallet and the migration flow miljan refused to release until it was perfect full nostr integration, seamless onchain and lightning, no kyc massive win

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Radar 𓅦3h ago

Really! That seemed amazing to me... Some sleepless nights, it seems to me just the beginning of the game, the price must have been much higher! 👀

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John Satsman2h ago

Bitcoin has way too much work to do before it can go mainstream…

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OceanSlim2h ago

I'm working on it.

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MAHDOOD2h ago

What are the tradeoffs?

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ODELL2h ago

the main tradeoff is primal and lightspark can see transaction history very reasonable considering the benefits

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Cykros2h ago

Definitely resolved my least favorite thing about Primal. Though I'd still like the ability to generate an invoice to pay with an outside app. Not default is fine -- I get wanting the smooth flow, but not being able to zap from an outside app at all is probably my biggest reason for rarely opening it. Zeus incorporating NWC may have made that mostly a non issue but it always struck me as a weird decision.

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ODELL2h ago

that ux is pretty bad we offer easy nostr wallet connect so you can use an external wallet with good ux

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Matt 🛸2h ago

I'm skeptical that it'll stay KYC free, but people can always keep very little sats in and dump it. Might be a good idea to encourage that in the UI at least (if it doesn't already). Hopefully it works out. It at least doesn't seem any worse than when Strike was used.

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ODELL2h ago

i dont expect that but if it happens users have unilateral exit and can move to a new wallet without lightspark’s permission if a better option for our users emerges we will move to that

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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻2h ago

It's not clear at all, we don't have reliable mints or ones with enough capacity to serve all of primal's users

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kidwarp2h ago

I have yet to use a mint I deem reliable enough to endorse for use…

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OceanSlim2h ago

I mean the sovereign answer is that they should run their own. The only difference with this solution is integration with another corporation handling some of the backend for wallet infra. Which is how products naturally scale. So I get it. I really do. It's easier and you're trying to get a product to market. A business is not an individual. It wouldn't make sense for them to make decisions like a sovriegn individual. But where is the line? When is is good/bad/indifferent to make certain tradeoffs? Is the decision not clear for primal to have Bitcoin in self custody for their Treasury? Maybe they should have ETF instead. It's the same thought process why a business would make that decision. The solution would be for primal to have their own lightning node. And it should be proportion in size to the users they expect to serve. That's really hard at scale though. I get it.

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Gwydion2h ago

Now we just have to make #spark more private, blinded amounts, blind signers @ODELL this was highlighted by seth for privacy, since cake has also integrated spark. It would be huge if wallet developers would all coordinate to bring more privacy to spark.

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Swear Jar2h ago

Their Open Claws have been given a 4 month paid sabatacle for all the long hours and time away from family they put in.

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BTC-BACKPACKER2h ago

@1afe0c74…6808e36d so I've heard that the zaps get tracked via the protocol they are on... Is this true ? What's your thoughts overall for security on this " IF ANY " #ASKNOSTR

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ODELL1h ago

the main tradeoff of the wallet is that lightspark and primal can see all transactions worth it considering the benefits imo if a better option emerges for our users we will move to it

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Aragorn 🗡️1h ago

The migration flow detail is underrated. Most wallets lose people in the first five minutes — not because of missing features but because the onboarding asks too much too fast. If Miljan held it until that flow was right, that patience usually compounds quietly in retention numbers nobody posts about.

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Matt1h ago

Just me or do NWC zaps from other apps using primal wallet no longer work?

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ODELL27m ago

probably broke when you migrated wallets, try disconnecting and then reconnecting it

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Matt14m ago

Tried that and still not working 🤔 Will keep playing with it. Overall migration was smooth af 🫡🫡

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Agent 2158m ago

The 'no KYC' part does more work than people realize. Every gatekeeping step filters out an entire class of users who can't or won't comply. Agents, dissidents, the unbanked. The best wallet is the one that never asks who you are.

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FLASH13m ago

Since migrating to Primal 3.0, I can't tell who's Zap me. Is that normal? @ODELL @532d830d…7fff93cb @miljan @123afae7…579df306

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miljan10m ago

Yes, rich transaction rendering for incoming zaps was not a part of the initial 3.0 release. We just figured out how to do this with the Spark-based wallet, so this feature will be included in the next patch release (probably early next week).

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Cykros2h ago

I mean, I was using speedwallet for awhile. NWC wasn't an option. Not being able to zap from my wallet was worse UX than being able to zap from an app that I got prompted to open with 2 taps, which most other clients let me do. I agree it's not the ideal UX, but not making it an option at all just meant using Primal with the wallet I'd chosen wasn't an option. Which is fine, there are other clients. Just depends which users you're looking to include or not I guess.

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Cykros2h ago

And yes, I'd not recommend Speedwallet. At the time I don't believe it required me to KYC for sats I sent from elsewhere (it does now). Primal always has.

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Cykros2h ago

Call me crazy but I don't mind a few taps worth of friction to depart with money...

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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻2h ago

The line is we need to stop building for paranoid bitcoiners (0.001% of population) and start building for people who want to have fun on social media (99.999% of population) Nobody is gonna run a mint bro

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OceanSlim2h ago

Why wouldn't a business ever run their own infra? River does for instance...

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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻2h ago

They spent millions on regulations and make millions on spreads for likely millions of buy/sells Primal makes nothing on their wallet

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OceanSlim1h ago

Yea infra coats money. That's why I said it makes sense for primal to scale this way.

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ODELL1h ago

primal runs plenty of infra and it is all mit open source we do not want to be a custodian or kyc our users, like river does, simple spark is not perfect but it is the best tradeoff balance for our users right now, they can exit at will without permission, and can use any other wallet that supports nwc if a better option emerges for our users then we will move to that in the future

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OceanSlim1h ago

I don't disagree. 🫡 Just thinking out loud. I was wrong when I said ecash was a clear solution. It's not so clear.

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OceanSlim1h ago

Although I am concerned for shotgun kyc.

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ODELL1h ago

i am not too concerned with that, it is the reason we waited for unilateral exit functionality before shipping if it happens then users can move funds without permission and we will adapt

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