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Luke Dashjr25d ago
It's okay to be ignorant about RDTS and withhold judgement until you understand it better. It's not okay to be _opposed_ to RDTS, since it just addresses an existential threat to Bitcoin. RDTS is hostile only to CSAM and spammers. If you're neither, it's not a hostile softfork, and you should support it.
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dazzling24d ago
I am all for not trusting core devs automatically. Verify what they do! But you certainly should not trust the Knots people either. They are being very underhanded about this situation. Just the "this is super important and needs to be done now or it is the end of bitcoin" narrative they are running is so scammy. That is what phone scammers do to old people too, trying to stress them in to not paying actual attention to the issues. Take a step back, look at the actual facts, and look at the track record of the people on either side. IMO some bad decisions were made by Core, but Tooooonnnnsss of red flags on the Knots side. But those are my opinions. Form your own!
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dazzling24d ago
Oh yeah, we really want an AI controlling which transactions are valid and which are not. An AI trained/controlled by who?
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HHODLÉire🇮🇪23d ago
I'll do it for a fee
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dazzling23d ago
Spam controls through filtering efforts rely on the filtering rules to be updated regularly, as new circumventions are invented. Controlling the filters mean controlling the system. Also Luke has a history of wanting to ban various things that he does not like, like gambling. He tried to sneak that in to the Gentoo Linux distro... He will go down that road again soon enough.
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Luke Dashjr23d ago
Liar
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Luke Dashjr23d ago
Until it expires obviously
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dazzling23d ago
QED
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Jameson Lopp23d ago
The debate ended last year. The only thing to do now is watch the game play out, point, and laugh.
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protozoan numbness23d ago
You realize this is a fallacious argument, right? Surely you've at least taken a logic course.
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BitcoinIsFuture23d ago
The debate is between the different points of view and their arguments in the video.
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AU991323d ago
Not really. You can watch it again. It reveals it's bias immediately. "Space that people think should be for one thing and one thing only, money" That's not an objective statement at all.
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BitcoinIsFuture23d ago
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Alan23d ago
I disagree with #3. They glossed over just how asymmetric bip110 with respect to consensus. This code allows a minority of node runners to win. Most softforks previously required an overwhelming consensus. Is it for the better? Maybe...
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JustBalances22d ago
Totally agree We understand you perfectly CSAM must be stopped It was - until Core V30 came along. No Core V30 and no RTDS countermeasures would have been ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY
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JustBalances22d ago
There is indeed a real need CSAM on the blockchain, put there by some unsuspecting miner, is now possible thanks to Core's modification. RTDS stops the attack and helps keep bitcoin decentral by making it long term easier to run a node... Luke is right (again)
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Alan22d ago
And how much block space is that edge case going to cost all the node runners? Nothing at all
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Telluride17d ago
Thats Lopp’s defense. —An Ad hominem attack. Think about that for a moment. 🧡👊🏻🍻
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AU991317d ago
Are you retarded. He's clearly mocking Luke who says this everywhere.
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GFY17d ago
THE POINT IS THAT HE HAS NO ACTUAL DEFENSE 🙄
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AU991323d ago
I gues you don't know what the word objective means. Also, that doesn't say "only" in that part you highlighted. Also also, the white paper and Satoshi aren't the bible and god of Bitcoin. People can helave their own opinions on it.
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BitcoinIsFuture23d ago
Bitcoin Is Freedom Money.
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AU991323d ago
Agreed. But that is just an opinion if you put the word "only" in it.
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JustBalances21d ago
It's not primarily about cost It's about every node broadcasting/hosting CSAM, opening them up to legal risk which could then be used (think governments) to take the nodes down. Convienienly shutting down the decentralized network. Oh then it's a piece of cake to up the supply. Think attack vector, cause this is one
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Alan21d ago
Governments are happy to share that shit.
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AU991317d ago
Everyone says the same about Luke when he just responds "liar" a million times. I'm not even on the side of core and I think lopp's business is retarded, but Luke and his followers are way more retarded. I think Bitcoin is money and hate jpegs on chain , but y'all have done 0 to convince anyone. Most of what I've seen from the Knotzis is "jpegs on Bitcoin = CSAM" and then "liar" to anyone who disagrees.
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GFY17d ago
WHO IS YALL? I'M ON "THE SIDE" OF BITCOIN, THATS IT. BTC ISNT A DATABASE FOR NONSENSE, PRETTY SIMPLE. YOU SAY YOU HATE JPEGS ON CHAIN, YET YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED THAT JPEGS SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAIN - DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME
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AU991317d ago
Bc I don't think consensus valid transactions should be "removed". Removing anything from the chain also implies some authority outside of the code. Not interested in a conversation if you're gunna be an all caps retard tho.
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Moneta Pro Populo17d ago
Some support freedom, some support tyranny.
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GFY16d ago
BANNING DICKBUTTS FROM MONEY IS TYRRANY? YOU PEOPLE ARE RETARDED
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Moneta Pro Populo16d ago
Authority to ban "Dickbutts" is authority to ban anyone. You work for the fed?
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GFY16d ago
GET FUCKED SHITCOINER
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Resonance Cascade The II16d ago
You're free to put them on nostr.... Here I'll get you started
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Luke Dashjr16d ago
Anyone vs anything. Big difference
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nomadshiba⚡16d ago
you dont get it. its a format difference, that also limits data size. it doesn't target "dickbutts". bitcoin is a monetary timechain. not a datachain. you should question the people who wanna corrupt the best money on earth instead. bitcoin always maximized being a money and a timechain. bip110 is also taproot bugfix as well.
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Des Imoto マキシ16d ago
Freedom of Speech is about Speech. The hardest money is about money. Nostr is a public square, censorship free speech. #Bitcoin is the hardest money. Not everything is everything…think!
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