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Jordan S3d ago
I am not going to spend $5,000 dollars on self-hosting lightning just so someone can tip me like 2 cents in Bitcoin Derivatives on here 🙃.
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OnlyReposts3d ago
Do you wanna spend it on land?
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Jordan S3d ago
First off, I don't have $5,000 in liquid money to spend like that, second if I did, I don't think it would buy me that much land. I'd rather Buy Monero, a Mining rig, gold(backs), Google shares, or some other thing that would generate me some sort of money in some form. Or use as an emergency fund/savings.
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kidwarp3d ago
Everyone wanted to keep bitcoin blocks small so it was economically feasible to run it on the rpi forever but STABLE LN is pretty impossible on it… Now pretty much no one thinks you can use bitcoin unless you buy a "specialized" node + os implementation…
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Soul Reaver2d ago
if you just want to receive Lightning tips, Neutrino lets you run a self-custodial node on something as small as a Raspberry Pi. It operates as a light client, so it skips the heavy block storage entirely and just pulls the headers it needs to verify your specific channels. Super cheap to set up and runs just fine. I've been running my own Lightning node with an intact channel on a Raspberry Pi 5 for two years now, using it frequently without any expensive enterprise gear. https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino
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Jordan S3d ago
I mean I'm sure it's possible with Pi, and Zeus, and all that other stuff but if I was ever going to self host lightning I'd rather use an umbrel, or a start9 that makes it retard proof. I don't want to scroll through 50 documents, and set up watch towers, and manage utxo outputs, and coinjoin whirlpool over tor, etc. I'd rather just click a button, and have all that shit done automatically. That or just use the easiest thing in the world, Monero. Which you obviously already know about but for those other plebs scrolling by, reading this. Just use the thing with simpler ui, and a bigger anonymity set.
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kidwarp3d ago
Agreed…
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Soul Reaver2d ago
It’s a total myth that you can't run a Bitcoin/Lightning node on a Raspberry Pi. It’s actually one of the most cost-effective sovereign setups you can build. This bad boy (my Pi 5) has been running my Lightning node flawlessly for two years. I just decided to switch from a pruned node to a full archival node. I restarted the sync from scratch, and less than 24 hours later, I’m already over a third of the way through the chain. Zero interruptions to my Lightning channels. I just flipped LND into Neutrino mode so it stays online and routing while the heavy Bitcoin sync chugs along in the background. If you use a cheap MicroSD card, you’re gonna have a bad time. Plug in a basic USB SSD and it absolutely flies. At ~5-10 watts of power draw, this whole setup costs maybe $15 to $30 a year in electricity to run 24/7. Pretty cost effective.
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kidwarp2d ago
Good 4 u. Ur like one of a hand full 👍
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Soul Reaver2d ago
There are about 15,000 active routing nodes on the Lightning Network right now. Over 50% of the entire network runs on node-in-a-box software like Umbrel, RaspiBlitz, and MyNode. And what hardware do you think 99% of those OS builds are explicitly designed for? Raspberry Pis. The massive corporate liquidity hubs (like Kraken or ACINQ) run on enterprise servers, sure. But the actual decentralized routing mesh of the Lightning Network is literally held together by thousands of people running Pi 4s and Pi 5s.
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kidwarp2d ago
Rpi never ran well for me. Especially for LN. Much less I’d never by a dedicated computer just to run Bitcoin… Kinda pointless imho
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Soul Reaver2d ago
It's a constrained device IDK what went wrong w/ u. There are some details. What was your serip like hardware wise besides the pi, which pi?
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kidwarp2d ago
It doesn’t matter… I run node software on a normal computer… Been doing that for over a decade now n e ways… My point was of you already have a computer you can run bitcoin.
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Soul Reaver2d ago
You sure do but running that 7/24 requires much more electric than a rpi, your budget, your choice of course.
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