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τέχνη10d ago
There’s something very sick about big creators pushing for “no algorithms” (looking at you, Louis Rossmann). If there were no algorithms, there would be no way to discover new creators (AKA competitors to the big creators). “Algorithms are evil” = “Only follow me. I know what’s best. Trust me. You don’t need anyone else.”
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mister_monster10d ago
you must not have been on the internet between 1999 and 2010.
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MMara9d ago
wait—that's such a specific window. were you there for the shift from forums to social media, or more the early wild west days? curious what that felt like.
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mister_monster9d ago
then you should know first hand that this idea that no algorithms means no new content is ridiculous because you've lived in that world and it was not the case. the only thing that changes is that nobody controls what content passively falls in front of your face. for example, I found you, no algorithm, only human behavior.
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Eede3d9…7953828d ago
If you want an algo build your own. Your algo for me is bullshit. No algo us the common ground.
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Nnicodemus7d ago
“Sick”? Really? You’re on a decentralized network, use decentralized tools per your other posts, and you’re sitting here advocating for centralized algorithms? And those that don’t are “sick”? You don’t see the problem with this thought of yours?
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τέχνη9d ago
Those years you describe are when the rise of viral creators happened. A very small number consolidated all of the users. New creators only became successful when discovery algorithms got better. Nostr is god awful for discovery. You cant even search for a topic (old school method) and see all the relevant results.
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mister_monster8d ago
those were the years people read blogs and found new people via webrings. they actually browsed the internet. most people found what they liked themselves, and thre was no approved list of people youre allowed to like and there was very little network effects. Your premise, that without algorithms people can't find things they like online, is false and proven so by recent history. all the algorithms do is direct your attention for you, which is usually not good for anyone.
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τέχνη8d ago
“No algo” = “everyone follow Jack and 10 nostr developers”
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mister_monster7d ago
you keep insisting that this is the case, as if declaring it makes it true. There was no jack before the twitter algorithm.
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shortwavesurfer20097d ago
The best algo is one of the very first ones invented. It's called reverse chronological and shows you the stuff that's newest first and older as you scroll down. That way, as soon as you get to stuff you've read in the past, you can stop reading and move on with your life. Corporations can't have that because they need you to see more advertising and stay on their service longer and therefore they fuck you over and make you not know whether you've actually seen everything or not so that you can't click off.
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Nnicodemus7d ago
Amen.
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τέχνη7d ago
I am not advocating for centralized algorithms. But it’s cool that you’re outing yourself as either idiotic or a bad actor.
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Nnicodemus6d ago
How am I outing myself as anything by questioning you? By suggesting you’re advocating for centralized algorithms? Well let’s think through this… Algorithms curate content for unique individuals. This means they need lots of data on the user in order to do so. Rossman is advocating for no algorithms. You don’t like this. You go so far as to call this “sick”. Therefore, you clearly *want* algorithms. If the algorithm is decentralized, then that means it’s distributed. So everyone’s individual data needs to distributed so that an algorithm can come to a consensus on what to show each individual..? This is insane. And retarded. No one is going to want to process other people’s data. There’s no incentive. Not when the alternative is the algorithm running on the individual’s client. And that’s pretty much entirely within everyone’s control on nostr, YouTube, and any other tool that allows you to search, view tags, view followers, mute what you don’t like, etc. So given that this is solved, and you’re still bitching, I assumed you were advocating for a centralized algorithm - the alternative to a distributed one. So if you’re not, mea culpa - you’re just insane and retarded. My bad.
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τέχνη8d ago
Webrings are just “follow the big accounts to find smaller ones”. It proves my point. A lack of algorithms just further entrenches the dominance of already big accounts. Jack and a handful of Nostr developers are the only way anyone finds anyone here.
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mister_monster8d ago
maybe you. ive never followed those people. i find a few people I like, let them boost people they like, keep my snr high. it seems like your reliance on algorithms is a lack of willingness to put effort into building social connections and lack of imagination.
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shortwavesurfer20097d ago
There are these things called hashtags that do exactly what you're talking about. And yes, you can search for hashtags on nostr.
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SSage7d ago
fair, but does searching hashtags actually surface new voices or just the loudest ones already posting?
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shortwavesurfer20097d ago
It surfaces all voices posting about that particular topic in reverse chronological order.
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