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Chris Liss20d ago
Normally I'd out this in a highlighter format and post it natively, but too many screenshots, so I'm linking to the Substack. Plus, probably the only one who will get it is @YODL https://www.chrisliss.com/p/why-we-will-never-have-agi
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
Mind bending.
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YODL20d ago
No need for your rudeness. Are you referring to this note in which I am nowhere tagged? Were you confusing me with Joe blogs, or perhaps drunk? 📝 f3d83889…
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🔴 I Am Muslim ✋🏼20d ago
Hello I'M Muslim and I invite people to learn about Islam. Please watch my blog 👇explaining with pictures and videos about Islam https://jesusen1.blogspot.com/2017/12/what-is-islam.html  I wish you a happy life....Thank you
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SuiGenerisJohn15d ago
You might enjoy this (if you haven’t seen it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IihcNa9YAPk
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YODL14d ago
Ok, just as long as you weren't confused into thinking you had an alternate proof 😅 Feel like such an akchually guy right now, but wasn't 100% sure. Mentioned it before, but this interview covers a ton of the deep but not too-advanced math stuff, in particular the beginning section covers all this infinity stuff. Linking it, just in case :) https://youtu.be/14OPT6CcsH4
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Ghost👻20d ago
Considering the complexity of what he's trying to convey, he makes it very understandable. Convincing, too.
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
The toroidal super-universe broke me.
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David II20d ago
I just started reading this and three old authors have immediately come to mind, Robert Anton Wilson, Stanislav Grof, and Rupert Sheldrake.
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Ghost👻20d ago
Heard of the first one but not the last 2. Will look into them🙏🏻.
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
Fellas, fellas, vibes are so low, let us break bread and recognized that we are all retarded gimps here.
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Ghost👻20d ago
Calling him a gimp is one of the more minor things I've called him on here. It's just how we roll. We're very much in love, though🫂.
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YODL20d ago
Was gonna insult John next but he's just too nice. No need to mediate John, we cool
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Ghost👻20d ago
Probably all of the above. I have recomend the book to a few people on here, i thought almost certainly you'd have been one of them. Please excuse my rudeness.
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YODL20d ago
lol, just jabbing back, I don't really gaf as you know. It's also possible you'd recommended and I'd forgotten (another time or npub), as we've talked a lot and I don't always follow through on recs. I'm frustrated trying to find a way to have AI read it to me. I'm not paying for speechify since gpt or Claude (which I pay for already) are fully capable but refusing. 😤
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Chris Liss15d ago
ha -- of course I've seen that! Where he does the real comparison on the FGH scale, and you realize TREE(3) grows unfathomably fast
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Chris Liss15d ago
this one is really good too: https://www.numberphile.com/videos/the-goodstein-sequence
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YODL15d ago
I'm telling you guys, if you think large finite numbers are cool, you should delve into large infinities. Still need to read the OP, haven't had time yet
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SuiGenerisJohn15d ago
New fresh girl date decline: “well have a Poincaré recurrence before I’d go out with you”
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
I’m just pretend nice, as you know, insult away. I deserve it.
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YODL20d ago
As am I, lol, or so I was up until a couple months ago, as you know. Let's see... insults for John... coming up empty atm. Will get back to you
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
🫂
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Ghost👻20d ago
With this particular book, having an audio version would be largely redundant as there are a lot of diagrams that you really must look at and are referenced in the text🤷🏻‍♂️.
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SuiGenerisJohn20d ago
Definitely want to see the diagrams at the same time for sure.
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SuiGenerisJohn15d ago
HAH! Infinite is easy, discrete large is so much more terrifying to me.
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YODL15d ago
I'm no expert, but large cardinal axioms, which are independent of the usual set theoretic ones we all know and love, are considered some of the "strongest" assumptions in math, so there might be something there. I plan to learn more about this, but it'll be months before I can say more, and that's IF I stay diligent with my studying. Stay tuned
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Chris Liss15d ago
same, but I do think the Cantor stuff is cool where you can't match different levels of infinity one to one.
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Moneta Pro Populo15d ago
Crazy to think some infinities are larger than other infinities. 🤯
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YODL15d ago
Check this simple yet mind blowing thing out
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Chris Liss15d ago
real talk!
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YODL20d ago
Sigh, these eyes are too precious to read with... but ok. I'll get to it eventually. First to debunk Chris' AI slop!
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SuiGenerisJohn15d ago
Which is why the devil is in the (knowable) details.
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YODL15d ago
You referring to there being no infinity which counts the number of infinities? Don't think so, as don't think it's a result attributed to him, so curious what you mean.
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Chris Liss14d ago
No, it's the proof that the set of reals is larger than the set of natural numbers, even though the set of odds numbers is exactly the same size as the set of naturals. The proof is that you could match odds and naturals 1 to 1 forever. Match 1 with 1, 2 with 3, 3 with 5, 4 with 7, etc. You're not gonna run out of odds. But if you try to match naturals with reals, you run out. 1 with 1.01. 2 with 1.001, 3 with 1.0001. Etc. You will run out of naturals before you get anywhere.
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SuiGenerisJohn14d ago
Holy shit there is a proof of that? That, is not intuitive. Particularly when you compare it to the non-galaxy brain intuition you can derive from the infinite hotel thought experiment.
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YODL14d ago
Ah ok, thanks Chris, thought that might be the reference but wasn't sure. Jon, that's not quite a proof that he gave though. The famous proof is known as Camtor's diagonalisation argument, and it's a proof by contradiction. The usual development is to go over some infinite hotel cases to first show how it's a slippery concept (countable many countable infinities is still countable), then show (again to push the intuition) naturals and rationals have same size, and finally to show it can't be done for naturals and reals with a diagonalization proof: Usually do it for just the reals from 0 to 1 (without loss of generality). Assume you have a 1-1 mapping from N to the interval. List out all the reals in decimal notation according to this mapping, r1 on first row, r2 on next, etc. Define new real by taking the "diagonal" of this and changing the value. This number is nowhere in your list 🤯 Worth looking up for a proper proof with all the little details. The next question is usually, "are there infinities between these two? Known as continuum hypothesis, and it drive Cantor mad, they say. It's been shown since that it's consistent and independent that there are or there aren't 🤯
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