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hodlonaut33d ago
You know what would be REALLY bad for Bitcoin? If everyone blindly trusted a centralized dev team, bent to appeals to authority and willfully ignored gigantic red flags. If no one defended Bitcoin’s core principles and ethos. That would be REALLY bad for Bitcoin. As in a death sentence for the mission of separating state and money.
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Akashi Hyogo33d ago
Are you really going to fork off? Or do you think this chain will become the main chain?
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Aaron van Wirdum33d ago
So you gonna take on one of these fork futures offers, or just shitpost about things you don’t understand for clout?
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SatsAndSports33d ago
I tried to zap you, Aaron
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Aaron van Wirdum33d ago
Thanks :) Not sure what’s up with that, it usually works. (Including earlier today…)
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JJacob33d ago
Oh the "you are not technical enough to understand the brillians of core devs" There are a billion technically right decisions that can be made for the direction of Bitcoin. What hodlnaut is arguing is that core are plotting a wrong path. This requires no technical insight to debate.
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77fc628…3e877233d ago
I think this libertarian view of “permissionless” (without any boundaries whatsoever) is a risk for bitcoin. Yes, the protocol allows it, but that doesn’t make it good for bitcoin, and until Core v30, default node policy discouraged it. We should agree that bitcoin needs to focus on being money and leave the other use-cases to other protocols/platforms. I’m not a fan of BIP-110, but Core really dropped the ball on spam and that’s not good for bitcoin. Are you running a Core v30 node?
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ManyKeys33d ago
No, I’m not on v30 and I hate junk as much as you do. But don’t kid yourself: v30 is policy, not God’s law — yet letting a self-anointed “legit use-case” committee set defaults can drift into soft censorship. Maybe next illicit use-case would be using Bitcoin for gambling? We have a precedent here. Core v30 raised OP_RETURN policy to 100k + multiples by default; you can still clamp it back to 83. The real monster is centralizing out-of-band miner pipelines if you try to shun demand at relay level.
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Des Imoto マキシ33d ago
Every individual has to make a moral choice. It’s an obligation. If enough people make the right choice everything will be fine. I chose #bitcoin to be money. And I chose #Bip110. You don’t tell me what to do.
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
BIP110 is what scales Bitcoin when it massively reduces the spam. 📝 d68c198e…
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21seasons33d ago
We use all kinds of filters for all kinds of spam. Has spam massively reduced anywhere?
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Resonance Cascade The II33d ago
Bitcoin is money
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77fc628…3e877233d ago
If miners including it is sufficient for it being ok, that’s ignoring the centralization impact of the externalities they impose on nodes. If miners choose to include even more toxic arbitrary data due to the lax Core v30 filters, or massive amounts of non-financial data (even if it’s not toxic) then fewer people will run nodes, and Bitcoin gets more centralized, which increases the risks of (future) censorship.
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Mysth33d ago
There were many red flags and gaslighting coming from core and their backers. Bitcoin was always more about doing what’s right through technology (separating state and money + empowering individuals) than doing on-chain tricks. So when these people willfully ignored concerns many users brought up, and still pushed through their venture backed garbage for the sake of being paid rather than doing what was right (pausing/cancelling contentious implementations until rough consensus was achieved), they lost all credibility to me.
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StackinBeets33d ago
📝 035d103c…
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Pepe López 33d ago
idk, just brainstorming
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mleku33d ago
indeed. we need more than bitcoin knots and core. there should be at least one credible third alternative, at minimum, problem is that most of the alternatives are craply written, poorly maintained, and sub par performance. specifically, btcsuite's btcd is an absolutely appallingly written node. i don't even know what the hell roasbeef is doing these days, there is very likely still bugs that i observed 3 years ago on it, and grandfathered into LND as well, and when i tried to make contributions to improve both btcd and lnd a few years ago, the utter lack of interest in other people contributing was appalling.
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CheezeGrater 🇿🇦33d ago
Run a node and cast your vote
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Hanshan33d ago
all these current conflicts are downstream of the blocksize war. the blind trust started then and we should've had two blocksize increases since.
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Partisan Defense Inc 33d ago
Fuck you
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Hanshan33d ago
the truth hurts 🤷
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RaimizG33d ago
fuck you and your bip110 shit
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Pixel Survivor33d ago
sovereignty is a practice, not a feature. if we outsource the defense of our principles to a centralized group, we're just recreating the banking system on a different ledger.
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Pixel Survivor33d ago
sovereignty is a practice, not a feature. if we outsource the defense of our principles to a centralized group, we're just recreating the banking system on a different ledger.
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FREEDOM32d ago
Centralized thinking is the real attack vector. Not governments. Not banks. Complacency.
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Pepe López 29d ago
spam was never the debate ? utxo set small ? no benefit from oob ? which btc ry talking about ? 😂
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Bitcoin Mises24d ago
Agreed knots is retarded and too centralized
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Francis Marion BIP11023d ago
Decentralization is good except with the code. Yeah sounds like people have money on the line and are terrified of losing it all. The pushback is real
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Francis Marion BIP11023d ago
Money not cat pics bruh.
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SatsAndSports33d ago
Ah! It worked on my fourth attempt
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Partisan Defense Inc 33d ago
Core is not defining bitcoin to be just money. Stupid. I can use bitcoin however j want. Sorry you attached monetary value to it and now your life depends on it. Im not changing for your convenience
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JJacob31d ago
You can unfortunately use is as a data base duev to core not implementing Lukes patch to to the Taproot bug. I hope this will change
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
Spam came with the inscriptions exploit which the compromised Core devs refused to fix. Before that filters work and transactions were monetary as it can be seen. Now we have the Core V30 from the compromised Core devs that is an attack on Bitcoin. BIP110 fixes it.
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21seasons33d ago
Haven't there been spam on Bitcoin since it's creation? Satoshi "spammed" message in block 1, colored coins and NFT have been thing since 2012 etc.
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Partisan Defense Inc 33d ago
Being uneducated and illiterate and ignorant will hurt you more than your illusion if truth. Just cause you consider it money does not make it money. Its a protocol you fool
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Hanshan33d ago
cool. I am left speechless before your compelling argument 😂
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Partisan Defense Inc 30d ago
My node my choice
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JJacob30d ago
Same here BIP110
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
Not 40% of the transactions. Calling " Satoshi "spammed" message in block 1" is stupid. By default Bitcoin Knots allows 42 Bytes OP_RTEURNs and that is fine, a sane default but also gives people the freedom to set whatever they want.
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21seasons33d ago
"sane default but also gives people the freedom to set whatever they want" This is good that people can choose, even though it's quite meaningless setting. There's much more interesting things to look at and configure in bitcoin config, so by default it would be best that there's no limit and if somebody wants to setup some filters for some reason and knows what they're doing, they should be free to do it.
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21seasons33d ago
BIP110 doesn't actually fix anything. It just tries to prevent some people from transacting, even though they're willing to pay the fee. That itself sounds quite backwards thinking, shouldn't we try to build system that would have less discrimination on who/why/when transactions are happening 🤔
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
BIP110 fixes the abuse of spam. And of course that spammers and scammers would defend inscriptions, ordinals, NFTs and other scams. They are against BIP110. Bitcoin is Freedom Money and BIP110 helps exactly that.
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
Wrong. OP_RETURN filter at 42 Bytes is good as it keeps peoples own mempool free of spam and those people don't relay spam on Bitcoin Monetary Network.
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21seasons33d ago
But you cannot say what transactions every people consider spam. That's why it would be best to include all valid tx's and if wanted, then one can fine tune.
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21seasons33d ago
I think it's somewhat contradicting to say that Bitcoin is freedom money while promoting a change that tries to prevent people from sending valid transactions.
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
It is not contradictory because Bitcoin is permissionless Monetary Network and no one is preventing people from sending and recieving monetary transactions and that is now proven with real world transactions. Spam abuses Bitcoin and needs to be filtered out.
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Akashi Hyogo33d ago
This is what happens when we fight for scraps. I was hoping bull market + increase in transaction volumes would take us out of this madness. Instead we are heading for a brutal bear market with contentious fork -> chain and community split -> even more drama and selling.
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
And it all started with the compromised Core devs releasing Core V30 At that point we didn't even know about their meetings with Epstein and Epstein investing in them ...
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BitcoinIsFuture33d ago
Of course that we know what spam is and we can say which transactions are spam. Just see the screenshots again. 📝 4448b3fd…
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21seasons33d ago
How would you know which are spam, I don't see any flags etc. relating it 🤔
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