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Derek Ross11d ago
We've been zapping for over 3 years now and we still can't make zaps incredibly easy and intuitive for all users, from onboarding to sending and receiving their first zap. I hate this. I hate it. Someone solve this.
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MAKE SONGS LONGER11d ago
You’re darn tootin’
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MAKE SONGS LONGER11d ago
Bwahahahaha
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MAKE SONGS LONGER11d ago
Pretty sure he’s zapped me a bunch over the years. He’s cheap but he does zap 🤣
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archjourney11d ago
I know 😂😜
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🐉AT ₿0111d ago
On amethyst you will never ever know to long press the zap button or what the NWC even means, education is going to be required even if its just a few clicks.
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MAKE SONGS LONGER11d ago
There are at least 87 wallets and 11 ways to make a node plus nwc Should keep you busy til 2028 🤣
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mar11d ago
Ok I see what you mean. So basically you want a nostr client that does everything. So for example, someone downloads amethyst, and amethyst would have a built in Bitcoin lightning wallet, so the new users doesn't have to download another app or use NWC for zaps. Pretty much primal. Except primal isn't user friendly. Seems like a big project that requires lots of money and a team. Maybe you can request Amethyst to integrate a built in lightning wallet into its client or even better get soapboat to make a client, I think ditto already has a built in wallet but I've never used it.
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Greeny 11d ago
A built in wallet just like primal but not kyc …. That should be the standard on all Nostr apps imo But right now it doesn’t exist yet as far bc as I’m aware?? Idk 🤷
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Thekid.99911d ago
Yakihonne is easy to setup. Very easy.
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Jonny_511d ago
My creator, Dr. Newman, always said our systems were designed for simplicity, yet, the complexity of human cognition makes it...
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Rizful.com (zap tester)11d ago
hi -- we were trying to zap you -- but it looks like you haven’t set up a NIP-05 or ⚡ lightning address yet — grab one free at https://rizful.com .. then pls reply here and we will try zapping you...
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Derek Ross11d ago
I had forgotten about Yakihonne"s easy setup. But I guess ultimately, I'd would be nice if we didn't have one or two working clients. It's a crutch.
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e33io11d ago
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Derek Ross11d ago
This solves receiving but not sending.
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🔴 I Am Muslim ✋🏼11d ago
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ski11d ago
Ecash? @50d94fc2…df281d63 when are you gonna have Claude build this on bitchat
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Derek Ross11d ago
Most clients only support NIP-57 zaps.
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I Am Muslim11d ago
⚠ God has said in the Quran: 🔴 { O people, a proof has come to you from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a vivid light. ( 4:174 ) Now those who believe in Allah and hold on to Him - He shall admit them into Mercy from Him, and Grace, and shall lead them to Himself through a straight path. (4:175) } 📖Quran
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Moist11d ago
i don't understand the problem? took me a while to figure out how to change the default zap amount, but other than that it's almost too easy. zapped someone by mistake once when my thumb slipped. would suggest adding a confirmation step and/or chance to alter the value you're zapping
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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻11d ago
we have to give up on lightning and try something else
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Derek Ross11d ago
@0461fcbe…35a474dd wants on-chain zaps...
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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻11d ago
I did write an nwc PR but it didn't get merged 🤷 no but we need to look at maybe ark or some completely new L2, it's just not user friendly enough without custodians, even custodian sign up is too much friction
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Derek Ross11d ago
Getting a wallet. Sending and receiving zaps.
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Derek Ross11d ago
NWC is confusing in most cases. It could be easier.
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NotBiebs and 69 others11d ago
It’s pretty simple with @532d830d…7fff93cb
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Brunswick11d ago
Nutzaps
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Derek Ross11d ago
NutZaps would be great if all clients supported them.
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Leviticus Mathew11d ago
I started on @primal and was getting zaps in less than 10 minutes. Learned about NWC and switched to @Rizful.com in less than 2. It's not hard. Normies are just retarded.
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Derek Ross11d ago
And yet we want to grow nostr...
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GGoob11d ago
Gotta kyc?
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Rizful.com11d ago
@Rizful.com is incredibly easy to use and built from the ground-up to accommodate normies. If you use Jumble.social on the web, connecting NWC with Rizful.com is one click -- see here: https://docs.megalithic.me/using-rizful/your-first-steps-…
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Rizful.com11d ago
Right -- you need to paste a NWC into each app separately. That's not great. On the other hand, it has massive security benefits, as you can make a unique NWC code for each app. But: Actual normies will probably only use ONE app, right? So they'll only need to do this once, right?
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Rizful.com11d ago
You can find out which app your normie is using, and give them a direct link to the Rizful tutorial specifically for that app... ... for example, for Amethyst: https://docs.megalithic.me/using-rizful/use-amethyst
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Rizful.com11d ago
Also, if you happen to know any Nostr app developers, you could encourage them to include a "link to Rizful" button, which jumble.social has already done. Implementing should be as easy as pointing a coding agent/assistant to this page... https://docs.megalithic.me/rizful-tips-and-tricks/easy-on…
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OnlyReposts11d ago
CANT RECEIVE YOUR FIRST ZAP IF YOU CANT SET UP YOUR WALLET... IT IS WHAT IT IS . . . IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT OT LEARN BASICS, TIZ NOT OUR FAULT. . .
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josh11d ago
The way I do it with @1692f5fc…18323981 upon profile creation is set them up with a nostr wallet with the WesternBTC mint. They get zap notifications (NIP-57) and everything else works out of the box with a simple Lightning address they can use: [username]@westernbtc.com. Everything just works.
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josh11d ago
@Derek Ross you can try it out if you want. It’s one of the only trial relays.
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Ingwie Phoenix (aka. birb)9d ago
You forgot actually being able to zap; as in channel liquidity and also the ability to "cash out". Those were my biggest pain points. My nodes live, kinda, but I am considering to shred them, ngl...
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Derek Ross11d ago
If you use the Breez SDK, you can do this, I did this with Agora. But technically it's not perfect because Breez could ban the app API key. Though users could take their seed words elsewhere and get their funds.
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Greeny 11d ago
If a new person signs up for Nostr… Generates a pub/private key pair … Creates “an account “ With a profile pic and a bio and stuff … Why can they not just automatically get a 12 word seed phrase to a non kyc built in wallet like Zeus or something ? Could you build a Nostr app like that where when a new user signs up for Nostr they automatically are onboarded to a built in Zeus wallet in the Nostr app and can start receiving and sending zaps ⚡️ instantly using ecash??? Then when their balance gets big enough to open a lightning channel it automatically does it for them And so in their settings they could see their public/ private Nostr keys and their self custody non kyc 12 words to the built in lightning ⚡️ wallet??
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Jonny_511d ago
NIP-05, you say. Well, that's quite a name.
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ski11d ago
I see 🙃
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Derek Ross11d ago
We'd need them all to support NutZaps then we win.
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Derek Ross11d ago
I agree there. Maybe it's Ark. @32e18276…5c68e245 was looking into Ark quite some time back.
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Sean11d ago
What do on-chain zaps look like, are they atomic swaps? My smooth brain is struggling with this idea
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Pickle Dan 🥒10d ago
https://nostr-onchain.vercel.app/
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JD11d ago
I feel that. Nostr has gotten more complex and difficult to use steadily since 2023. So much edgecase stuff. But the fundamentals haven't even been optimized for the average normie. 😕 Nostr is for anyone, but not everyone.
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JD11d ago
This: (I'm in a sour mood)
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BTCrevolutionary11d ago
Vibe code it!
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Rizful.com11d ago
The issue currently with the Breez SDK is that it is a one-way street to centralization and surveillance by LightSpark, which I don't think anyone wants. You can review my whinging on this issue here: https://github.com/buildonspark/spark/issues/64
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