The “Proton is fully compromised” take is just noise. Nothing got hacked, nothing got backdoored. Swiss courts did what Swiss courts do: they forced Proton to hand over metadata tied to an account — payment info, login timestamps, IP logs. The encrypted inbox stayed encrypted. The real issue is people mixing up encryption with anonymity. Proton protects your messages. It does not protect your identity. If your account is tied to a normal, traceable payment method, that breadcrumb exists — and a court can demand it. That’s not a breach, that’s jurisdiction. And yeah, if the account had been funded with non‑linkable Bitcoin, there wouldn’t have been payment metadata to hand over. Not because of anything shady — just because you can’t leak what you never collected. That’s the whole point of minimizing data exhaust. So the TL;DR for Nostr: ProtonMail = good encryption, zero anonymity Metadata = the real snitch Bitcoin = privacy depends on how you use it Threat models = not optional Use the right tool for the job, or the job will use you.

This is not the first time Proton has collaborated with government agencies.

There will be signs 📝 81e0b5f8…

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Non PGP encrypted mail (99.9%) is only encrypted via transit by TLS V1.3 at best. Proton has no choice but to decrypt your mail as they recieve it, then Re-encrypt with your PGP key secured by your proton password. They can see all your mail, as a fault of the insecurity of the SMTP protocol. It's only Zero knowledge after they re-encrypt, you have to trust them not to scan 100% before they encrypt.

Nothing is. The alternative is cut ties with people so you get no emails hahahaha

Fully compromised? 😶 Really?

Nan. They are not. People must understand that they will always collaborate with authorities and give them what metadata they have. wich is IP probably and payment details. If you plan on doing illegal stuff, 1-dont use email, 2-dont use credit card for eg wich was the case. Also, if you become a gov agency target there is little places to hide. you always leave digital footprints. Proton is good to avoid 3rd parties spying on your emails like Google does. It's not a platform for crime.

⚡ MORE - For me, a platform that communicates REGULARLY with government authorities is COMPROMISED.

It's really simple people.. look at it this way: Government A goes to Government B, and ask for a favor, Government B uses it's force on a private company that already has and fully supports Government's ideology people say use a private payment option (and I have said this myself), but what's better is to choose a service that doesn't have that ideology, does Proton Team look like they're here to disrupt?

What do you mean. I answred. Repeating. I will never sell my business. I rather shut it down than sell it. I will never log data in any country. I would rather not give customers an exit there than compromise with government. What else? I build the company as generational entity. To last. Not for exit. I am here on a mission to bring web 5. To enjoy my freedom in a society that everyone also is free. Being the only free bloke on the room is no fun. Both of us founders were univertisy teachers. We educate people constantly in cyber security and privacy and Linux and GrapheneOS and backups and restores and password vaults and so on. Maybe you can't understand us because you are projecting your personality on us. Maybe you lived your life as a sellout. We didn't. Even when covid came on London I was one of 24 people in the very first demonstration.

I'll try, thank you.

Which website ?

Assume compromise. Period. Don't trust verify. I can't verify shit about proton

Not just payment, but your IP too

Thanks for the TLDR

Had to scroll so far down to find this. Finally osmeone who gets it...

proton is a monumental improvement for users compared to what 99% of people are using and minimizes the footguns if they were to try any of the services they provided self-hosted. Great product and service, people should not let perfection distract from better.