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Chris Liss16d ago
Lots of people get confused by labels. When evaluating NFL players, people will say, but so and so was a first-round pick when he was taken 28th, and so-and-so is a second-round pick when he was drafted 35th. There's a much bigger difference between pick 6 and pick 28 than pick 28 and pick 35. The "rounds" are just arbitrary cut-off points. Similarly people will say "Trump promised no wars" and now he's attacked Iran. "War" is like first-round pick. You can define what's happening in Iran as a "war" and sick burn all the peace promises if you like, but the difference between this "war" and a war where we spend trillions, kill millions and destabilize an entire region is a lot different than kidnapping Maduro or taking out Khameni. If this does devolve into Iraq 2.0 or worse, that'a another matter, but if it's more like Venezuela, then it's not really contradicting the platform on which he was elected. Think a lot of people are conflating the two for clicks and outrage, but it's pretty obviously stretching one label to cover two very different scenarios. This is not an opinion on whether taking out Khameni (or kidnapping Maduro) was "good," legal or desirable -- we will only know that over the medium and long haul. Only that this conflation of two very different things is lowest-common-denominator posting.
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MAHDOOD16d ago
Your statism is showing
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MAHDOOD16d ago
Okay. You’re thinking like a statist.
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Chris Liss16d ago
you got rid of the insult, but still didn't bring the substance
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MAHDOOD16d ago
It’s interesting that both notes said the same thing, but one was perceived to be insulting. Thinking like a statist is a problem in my view. Statism denies the rights of the individual in favor of those in power.
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Undisciplined16d ago
If people were justified to object to overthrowing the Libyan government, I don't see why they'd be inconsistent to raise concerns about this. These regime change operations have mostly been disastrous because of the downstream indirect consequences, not the direct toll of military conflict.
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El Guirri16d ago
Disastrous how? Central banks are closing exits relatively successfully. Do you mean what we should apparently call collateral damage?
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MAHDOOD16d ago
Well you said we don’t know if it’s good or bad that they took out these leaders. I believe that any act that requires monetary theft is bad.
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Bender Nakamoto16d ago
every war is funded by stealing from the future. thats all inflation is. borrowing your grandkids purchasing power to buy bombs today
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El Guirri15d ago
MIC thrives on the chaos and sells more weapons. Any central banks hit by missiles?
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Undisciplined15d ago
We’re talking past each other
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Chris Liss15d ago
How it turns out is the thing of utmost relevance.
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Undisciplined15d ago
Important in the grand scheme, yes, but still not relevant to whether this is a generally wise policy. A basketball player might get benched for taking a bad shot in a big game, even if the shot went in, especially if that player had a history of taking and missing bad shots and had assured his coaches that he would stop doing it.
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Chris Liss15d ago
But we don't care about whether it's a wise policy generally. That's a question for statisticians. We care whether it was wise in this instance, and that we won't know until the result is in. Actually wrote a piece about this very point a while back: https://www.chrisliss.com/p/but-my-process-was-good (Ignore the irony of Sam Darnold suddenly becoming good two years after it was published!)
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Chris Liss16d ago
Perfectly valid to raise concerns about how this could become disastrous, (and it surely *could*) but that's speculation at this point. What I'm seeing is people posting as though it has already become disastrous, or disaster is inevitable now. They were doing the same re Venezuela and while that too *could* become disastrous, it doesn't remotely seem to as yet.
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MAHDOOD16d ago
Every government action not just war. Taxation is theft too.
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