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Jack K3d ago
Reality itself preserves truth through time; agreed. But that just names the thing, it doesn’t explain the mechanism. The transcendental argument only argues that such a structure must exist. It doesn’t demonstrate how it actually operates. Before Bitcoin, nobody had ever seen a system that concretely instantiated that relation. We could say reality must preserve non-contradiction across time, but we couldn’t point to the process that enforces it. Bitcoin is the observation of that process as a new temporal axis. So if reality preserves truth, how? What executes the logic? What enforces the boundary that keeps past states from becoming false? What preserves truth across time instead of letting it collapse into contradiction? I’m pointing to Bitcoin as to how. “Reality itself” is a label for the thing we’re trying to understand. We have witnessed a computational system whose only job is executing logic across a temporal boundary and preserving the resulting state. Thats literally what a computer does. It runs logic on a bounded substrate and carries the result forward. You’re claiming reality preserves truth through time while looking past the only structure we’ve ever observed that actually does that besides the substrate we live within. Why aren’t they the same thing from opposites sides of the temporal boundary? If reality preserves truth, it must have a rule-set that enforces non-contradiction across time. Without that, truth doesn’t persist. So either reality runs on some structure that enforces logical state transitions across time, or truth itself is unstable. What is structurally different between the thing you’re calling “reality” and the thing Bitcoin demonstrably does? Again we are not observing Bitcoin from the inside; we are observing it from the outside. Right now it sounds like you’re describing the same architecture, just refusing to engage the one place we can actually see that structure operating. Your definition of reality sounds like we live inside of a temporally prior “Bitcoin”. If this is true, we now have to grasp with observing the same system re-instantiating inside of itself, the thing we call Bitcoin. Why is “Bitcoin” or more broadly a p2p cash system, not the structural answer to what you call reality? What other structure for reality is capable of producing durable truth?
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Neal3d ago
“So if reality preserves truth, how?” This question is asking for a small world answer to a big world question. big world answers are why? questions and we have answers “But that just names the thing, it doesn’t explain the mechanism.” exactly, to explain the mechanics is to create a small world. all we can do is name the thing, acknowledge the necessary relation. You are asking me to make a small world out of the big world. And I’m saying, that’s not possible, and not even a bad thing. that ls the actual defining limitation boundary of our humanity i respect the physics, it answers how questions but philosophy has primacy to physics, and answers the why questions. if bitcoin answers the how, it says nothing about the why. I agree with you that bitcoin is a small world formal system which produces truth equal to that of reality itself. but to say bitcoin is therefor the mechanism by which reality itself produces truth does not follow at all. as a syllogism: 1) that which produces the big world truth is beyond the human mode of being 2) bitcoin is not beyond the human mode of being. 3) MT therefore bitcoin is not that which produces the big world truth
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Zsubmariner3d ago
"So if reality preserves truth, how?" This is not actually a coherent sentence and I think it may point to why you keep coming back to circularity. Reality IS Truth. Truth is immutable. Reality does not preserve. Preserve is an action within time of maintaining order against entropy. I think you can coherently say: Bitcoin preserves order through a meta-order process of cryptography. (Cryptography is the art of securing information. In-formafion. Aka order. It is order-hardening or anti-entropic techniques.) "What executes the logic?" That's a computer term. Logic is not the output of computation but the ordering principle that makes it possible. "Executes logic" is actually word slop, though I use that shorthand too. "Executes instructions (in-structure) into which we have encoded logic by use of rational intellect." Is a more fully expanded version. "What enforces the boundary that keeps past states from becoming false? What preserves truth across time instead of letting it collapse into contradiction?" Again, that is no a coherent construct. True does not become false and false does not become true. Logic is axiomatic ground. If you don't accept logic as the foundation you fall into infinite regress. Something has to be axiomatic and it has to be this or you couldn't even ask the question so it would by definition be nonsense. Bitcoin runs on computers but its truth is not fundamentally computational either. The computers automate a game. The game is between people. We are distributed witnesses who can discern truth because we have rational intellects and the world is intelligible. We are using computers to automate the game to maintain agreement on facts and prevent anyone from cheating. It is only because our rational intellects grasp higher order that we can have a game of agreeing upon truth and goodness (value) to coordinate and align our actions toward higher levels of order against an entropic phicial world. Computers provide a way to use the physical limitations of the world to do cryptography and make it virtually impossible to cheat. This is necessary because we have free will and can choose lesser goods. God does not have this problem. His will is pure, perfect and unchanging. He IS truth. He IS logic. And that is not a mere assertion, it is a necessary logic conclusion. But our cheating problem has led to a solution that approximates the ordering principles of time and can teach us about it. This is poetic and God is good. He always makes a higher good our of our evil choices in the end. Of course. If we ask what preserves truth itself, well what preserves that, and that and that... Infinite regression and circularity are both illogical by definition. So there has to be and uncaused cause and it must be Logos. Or reality is a contradiction and then it doesn't exist
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