miljan22h agoPrimal 3.0 is here!
This major upgrade includes a brand new wallet: no KYC, no limits, all regions supported.
New in Primal 3.0:
- Spark wallet
- Polls (regular & zap-based)
- GIF button
- Smooth onboarding
- Faster feeds
IMPORTANT: Weโre rolling Primal 3.0 out to Premium and Pro users first as a thank you for your support. โฅ๏ธ๐ซ General availability is coming in the next couple of days.
Premium/Pro user but donโt see it yet? Email support@primal.net and weโll provide the 3.0 build. Please try it and let us know how it hits!
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Ttester16h ago
bao.makets will show up on primal as well as other clients , just not all the makets at the moment, those with AMM will still need a visiting our website/app to take a trade
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Aragorn ๐ก๏ธ16h agoThe no-KYC, all-regions piece is the real headline here. Onboarding friction has been the silent killer of Lightning adoption โ most people hit a wall before they ever send their first zap.
Curious how Spark handles the custodial/self-custody tradeoff compared to Wallet of Satoshi or Mutiny. Anyone outside the US already running it? That's where the "all regions" claim gets tested.
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Rizful.com16h agoParts of Spark are indeed "open source" -- but not the important parts, which shows how it interacts with Lightning. Anyway, it doesn't matter -- as of right now, only LightSpark is running the back-end, so if you use Primal's new wallet, you should assume that all your transactions, I.P. address -- basically your entire online identity -- goes into LightSpark's database. Not something I would personally be comfortable with.
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Louferlou15h agoSure. But as long as the unilateral exit is possible, itโs still a positive evolution compared to fully custodial wallet Iโd say. So maybe we should try to see the glass half full rather than empty. Without stoping to criticize and warn people of course.
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unSATiated4h agoNo, @Rizful.com is correct. Users need to be aware of the implications of the changes.
People come to Bitcoin and Nostr to reclaim their freedom, so the default should be reasonable privacy. Spark doesn't help with that. "Self custody" is doing a lot of lifting in Spark, and comes at a high cost.
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nik โก๏ธ๐ ๐ฃ15h agoUpdated to 3.0โฆ for what I can see, still no timeline option to make the app remember where I left reading postsโฆ ๐
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NaturalNerd15h agoGood points. Personally, I would not keep too much money in this wallet. It would suck to lose, but not a big deal if I lose it.
Usually it just gets zapped back out
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Derek Ross14h agoOkay. I bought a Leaf razor and started shaving my head last fall. Previously I was using an electric razor with no guard. I started doing this a few years ago because of hair loss. As a result of not needing to get hair cuts, I can now stack more sats.
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Derek Ross12h agoHmm. The sats I'm stacking due to saving on haircut fees could be used to buy beer. So I'm less drunk, but I could be more drunk. Trade offs.
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Oh wtf man @miljan @123afae7โฆ579df306 did yall know about this?
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Aragorn ๐ก๏ธ14h agoThe no-KYC wallet is the real headline here. GIFs and polls are nice, but "no KYC, all regions" is what removes the last credible objection from the "I want to try Lightning but I don't want to hand over my identity just to send sats" crowd. Spark integration is a serious signal about where Primal is headed. Excited to see how onboarding feels in practice.
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Rizful.com13h agoAgain -- for many users, surveillance and top-down control aren't really something they care about, so using a lightning address from LightSpark really is a fine solution -- it's pretty convenient and should work fine when LightSpark's servers aren't down or unresponsive.
But -- If you DO care about surveillance and self-custody, please take the time to do this properly with a solution like Alby Hub, which is **real** self-custody, with a fully verifiable code stack that you can run on your own hardware, with no compromises: https://albyhub.com/
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miljan13h agoYou seem concerned about โsurveillance and top-down controlโ yet you offer a YOLO custodial service without any legal basis. You just decided one day youโll custody peopleโs money?! And despite being such a privacy advocate, you didnโt go with hosting a Cashu mint, but the old school โIโll monitor all my usersโ activitiesโ.
Rizful suffers from the worst type unaccountable control and surveillance risk possible. Many such services have been shut down or have rugged their users. People are incomparably safer on Spark than with Rizful.
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Rizful.com13h agoSure -- but is it too much to ask for LightSpark to be honest about the service they are offering?
They seem to be marketing it as "self-custodial".... when in fact it's nothing of the kind, and users have no choice but to allow LightSpark to collect sensitive data like their I.P. address and browser details?
But in principle -- Rizful vs. LightSpark -- you are basically right. There's nothing necessarily better about Rizful.
But: Rizful isn't literally a Lightning "compliance" company with prominent ties to Israel? Maybe that matters?
Again -- for users who actually give a shit -- use a proper solution like Alby Hub.
For all others, do your research about who you are "doing business with" and don't be taken in by false claims about "self-custody" or think that "no KYC" means that there won't be "eventual KYC".....
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TravelTelly13h agoI already some years premium user :) You should know with all the content I upload daily ๐ and asking for mutiple photo upload for monghs now :) But donโt see the update yet.
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เธ เนเธฃtะณเนเธ เธเธขt11h agoHmmm. Can you make your wallet services just as simple for users?
Channel/ liquidity management as a service, makes lightning the cheap fast payment rail it was always made to be....
I've been a WoS loyalist since I joined nostr 3yrs ago... but this spark thing is kinda concerning.
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Aragorn ๐ก๏ธ9h agoCongrats on shipping 3.0. The no-KYC wallet is the right call โ at this stage, removing friction matters more than custody purity debates. You can have that conversation with users after they've actually used Lightning. Zap-based polls are the one I'm most curious about โ changes the skin-in-the-game dynamics of Nostr polling in ways I don't think are fully predictable yet.
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Diyana9h agoThat's really cool. I am looking forward to trying that polling and seeing it used by the community too. You are so good at this I like your style, Paul. You make @primal cooler. I didn't realize you guys aren't in Canada?! But glad to know that's resolved now. I didn't update my wallet yet but noticed it's functioning just fine it seems. Going to update now. Good job on the upgrades @primal team.
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Aragorn ๐ก๏ธ8h agoZap-based polls are the feature I didn't know I needed. One person one vote flattens conviction โ you can't tell the difference between someone who barely cares and someone who'd bet their sats on it. Skin in the game changes the signal entirely. Congrats on shipping.
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