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Scoundrel31d ago
You think I should completely ignore a criticism I care a lot about purely based on who is presenting it to me and how it makes me feel? I think the only reason you are saying that is because sobriety has such a great connotation. What if my "sobriety" is refusing anesthesia at the dentist because "they are going to be working on my teeth either way, shouldn't I experience the authentic signals my body is built to send me?" What if I'm refusing to drink coffee, take anti-inflammatory medicine, or even eat articifial sweetner just because they are "inauthentic"? Sorry, I take criticism seriously too. I'm not going to be satisfied until I come up with some reasonable way to address the criticism. It doesn't matter to me whether that criticism comes from a close friend, from a stranger on the internet like you, or from my own imagination. Even if I don't change my actions there is always room to improve my reasoning.
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Zsubmariner31d ago
I didn't say any of that. My observation is much narrower and only a response to what you presented. Calling someone a masochist for being sober is undermining. That's not what friends do. And I'm not sober and don't think its necessarily better. Balance is good, but it depends. The wisdom that I have learned, having been a self-conscious person myself when I was young, is that focusing on myself was not the way to go. That's what worked for me. Ymmv. We are very much trained to focus on ourselves. It makes us neurotic. Therapy, social and emothional learning. Don't be "toxic masculine". Get in touch with your feelings. Self-esteem. Self-expression. How do you identify? Self self self. It's a big neurotic mind F. All this psychologizing and emotionality is terrible for our mental health, ironically. Especially for men. Being hard on yourself really isn't that much better than gasing yourself up. Maybe worse. The best thing is to take yourself out of your own spotlight and focus on something so big that it makes you not matter in comparison. Ideally God, or whatever you want to call the biggest big of all, and whatever you think your mission is in that context. Not you as the star of the mission, but the mission itself. We're just people, after all, and none of us is worth obsessing over. None of us is really special. I mean, everybody is special and that means nobody is, right? Just forget about yourself and serve something bigger. I don't know you and none of this is directed at you personally. How could it be? These are just general truths I have learned about life. I have no idea if it applies to you at all. But I have seen some patterns and this is what I've noticed. Hope it helps in some way. If not, please just ignore me. I wish you well.
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Scoundrel29d ago
They weren't my friends, you are right about that. But why do you say that a good friend would never call another good friend a masochist? Especially if they have a reason to say that. I'm not sure I get how trying to be objectively good or trying to address others' criticisms is focusing on myself any more than say, focusing on following God's word or focusing on being a good friend to Jesus. Could you clarify what you mean by focusing on oneself, or give a more concrete example? And does focusing on some sort of higher purpose mean that I shouldn't argue with people? Even though you say you're focusing on a higher purpose you're still taking the time to argue with me. I appreciate it. Isn't this conversation meaningful? Also, moderation is just an excuse to do bad things by people who don't really understand why they are bad. Interfering with one's internal signaling is always wrong, even if one does it in moderation without getting addicted or experiencing negative health benefits.
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