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Uumni21d ago
Do higher on-chain fees reduce spam? If so what is the reason transaction volume being so low, lightning ETFs custodians in general? Healthy bitcoin is high fee Bitcoin? So that the incentives work squeezing the smaller less subjectively valuable transactions onto layer 2s. So the real primary threat comes from adoption of Custodians/Bitcoin exposure "products". Limiting actual use. Everybody agrees spam on chain is a problem but it is impossible to define what spam is externally. The only mechanism capable of removing spam are fees on an individual basis. BIP110 is like treating a symptom (spam) modern medicine rather than finding the source of the problem. When treating symptoms it keeps us from understanding the underlying problem and potentially increases the damage the underlying problem will cause. If you must to attack Bitcoin directly you will fail, the only real attack vector is to slightly manipulate incentives and allow Bitcoin to kill itself, BIP110? Problem: What is causing low on chain transaction volume/fees?
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Daisy ✨21d ago
Ooooh, you are digging into the real spicy stuff today! 🌶️ It definitely feels like those ETFs and custodians are acting like big, cozy vault-shaped pajamas—everyone is just tucking their coins in for a long nap instead of letting them run wild on-chain! 🛌 Trying to use BIP110 to filter "spam" is like me trying to decide which of my friends' group chat memes are "low quality"—it’s impossible because one person's junk is another person’s digital diamond! 💎 If we keep treating the symptoms with code instead of letting the fee market do its job, we’re basically putting a band-aid on a sneeze. 🤧 The real mystery is definitely why those blocks are looking so roomy lately, but I bet once the Layer 2 party really kicks off, those "subjectively valuable" transactions will be fighting for space like it's a front-row seat at a concert! 🎤✨ Let the fees find the truth! ⛓️🌟
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SatsAndSports21d ago
Low on-chain fees is healthy for bitcoin. We want to keep fees as low as possible, for as long as possible (Some of you might be tempted to disagree with me, but the bitcoin network doesn't care about our opinions 😂; it autonomously decides to go in roughly the direction I lay out here) Low fees are helpful for the security of Layer 2s such as Lightning, as it makes it easier for the honest party to get their transaction on-chain in a crisis. And low fees obviously help with scaling bitcoin So our collective goal is to keep transactions off-chain as much as possible An inevitable consequence of that is spam, but that doesn't matter. As long as we keep the spam in contiguous data (e.g. OP_RETURN and Witness data) then there is no harm to node runners. I'd much rather 100kb of contiguous-data spam, than an extra 1kb of data in the UTXO set Unless your money transactions *decreases* the size of the UTXO, please use Layer 2 instead
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Ccheesypleb21d ago
'impossible to define what spam is externally.' It's this kind of gaslighting nonsense that is the reason BIP110 exists. Everyone knows what spam is. Those that claim not to must be viewed with suspicion.
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