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econoalchemist109d ago
Code = Conspiracy to commit money laundering according to federal prosecutors. Do you still think this could never happen to you for your software project? Stand up & help us reach 100k signatures to #pardonsamourai at http://change.org/billandkeonne
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vinney...axkl108d ago
didn't they profit off it?
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vinney...axkl108d ago
prosecuted, maybe, but that doesn't mean the verdict would be the same. not to mention the general public sentiment. getting prosecuted for merely providing free public service code would look a lot more egregious to a naive public than making a ton of money providing anonimyzing service for "criminals to use". i'n not saying this is good or right, just pointing out the major difference in optics for the outside observer. "your honor, i made zero dollars on this. in fact, i gave away free labor. please prosecute the people who used this for 'bad stuff' instead" and then "straight to jail" would be such a more significant scenario for public perception. its like the "you wouldn't prosecute the hammer manufacturer for a random act of terrorism committed with a hammer". ...except imagine the hammer company made a few bucks every time someone at the Louvre got their head whacked in... public opinion would see those very differently, naturally.
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vinney...axkl108d ago
imagine you're Joe Normie There's a machette company that has a mechanism where they get $1 every time you hit something with the machette you bought from them. the government says "we have this device you can add to the blade where if it hits a tree, you still get $1, but if it hits flesh, the blade goes dull and you get $0". please install it. machette company declines. a couple people get attacked and killed with machettes, the knife company makes some money. in court, the gov't says, "look at this, Joe Normie, we asked them to install this device which would have kept those people safe. they didn't install it, those people are dead AND they made a profit on the act!" Joe is siding with the prosecutors before the machette company even draws breath to explain how such a device would backfire when trying to defend oneself against wild boars in the jungle, not to mention make the cost of machette production prohibitive and deprive the world of effective brush clearing devices. point is, this is all hard enough to win public opinion on in the best case. it's nearly impossible when enormous profits are involved.
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vinney...axkl108d ago
average joe: "Whoa, they made SIX MILLION dollars by helping people launder money?! lock those fuckers up! Here I am working hard every day and following the law, and I make $50k a year". vs: "Why'd those guys get thrown in jail? they weren't even involved at all and someone ELSE just used their free code? those other people should get arrested" You're focusing on important details, but 99% of people won't do that.
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vinney...axkl108d ago
My main gripe with your angle and others who take up a similar one is, "punished just for writing code...". I wish it WERE true that they "just wrote code". more (normal-er) people would be on board with the outrage IF they "just wrote code". Next time someone gets unfairly prosecuted like this, I hope they will have "just written code". Someone seeing the "they just wrote code" message, and then digging deeper and finding out they "also made $6M" makes whoever said "they just wrote code" seem disingenuous, not credible, and like they might be papering over other important details as well. Keep your credibility up in the eyes of onlookers by telling the whole story. It becomes easier to tell the whole story when there isn't $6M hiding in the plot.
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vinney...axkl108d ago
i don't agree with or support any of this prosecution, i hope you realize (or any prosecution in the current non-private legal system, for that matter...)
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vinney...axkl107d ago
all accusations are "false" because the legal system is involuntary. but to answer your question: were they not also running and providing a service, beyond merely authoring code?
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vinney...axkl107d ago
by "illegal", do you mean the State will put you in jail for it? definitionally, yes, in this case. but now we're allowing that they didn't "just write code", I notice. which was my original point.
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