I had not listened to them in probably a year but this prompted me to give this week’s a listen. It’s so fascinating. They are so close, yet so far. You can see the cognitive dissonance so clearly in each of them. Friedberg is the closest to getting it. But I’m skeptical of them connecting the dots anytime soon. Seems most likely they take the technocracy route and try to fight this by clinging to control within the fiat system. @Jeff Booth Have you had any opportunities to try and connect the dots for these guys??