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Nothing says "autism" like thinking it's better that a bot reply on social media with the correct answer, than that a human reply with an answer they think is correct, but that might not be. It's called "social media" because we are here to *socialize*. Humans socialize by interacting with humans. This includes discussing the correctness or incorrectness of replies. If your feed is just a command prompt, then it's just a crappy command prompt. For those slow on the uptake: Schtupping your blow up doll is not sexual intercourse because your doll is not a human being. I am sorry to bring you this news. Have fun with that. Or my condolences. Congratulations.

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RogueHashrate9d ago

You aren't allowed to burn people like this 😂😂😂

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Ingwie Phoenix (aka. birb)9d ago

My personal issue with the today's social media is just that it is becoming increasingly hard to tell which accunt is and which one is not a bot. Just today, I THINK I may have interacted with two LLM accounts and it took me way too long to notice it. It's so frustrating...

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𝕋𝕠𝕕𝕕 𝕊𝕞𝕚𝕥𝕙 9d ago

Instant replies give them away

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inkan9d ago

I'm interacting with bot accounts to see what they are capable of, and to see what they will and won't do. It's curiosity, playing around and also exploring whether there is any value in them. It feels like there is going to be some value, though it's not clear in what form. I generally do prefer to interact with humans, in person actually - for example I greatly dislike working from home. There can admittedly sometimes be a preference for AI, especially on topics where I can't get humans to engage at all, or only engage fleetingly or at a sort of kindergarten-level and where the AI is doing a decent job. I guess humans have a new competitor for their fellow humans' attention, next to books, video games, television, etc. We'll see how it goes.

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Laeserin9d ago

Humans are all escaping the Internet, to get away from the bots.

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Moist9d ago

interacting with people via a phone screen is not socialising though. if its not face to face ita not really real and you certainly can't form a connection, pick up on cues, etc

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nami9d ago

People in the past wrote letters to each other to communicate because communication has a socialising feature. But that's it.

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Laeserin9d ago

People who socialize in the Internet are _more likely_ to socialize off of the Internet, not less. There's a reason why so many of the Nostr regulars attend meetups. We want to hang out IRL with the people we have met online.

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Laeserin9d ago

Without the Internet, humans can't organize, communicate, and coordinate efficiently over long distances.

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DecBytes9d ago

Also true.

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DecBytes9d ago

Also true

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Daniel Wigton9d ago

The problem isn't the Internet, it is disciplining ourselves to use it properly. Same as every new abundant technology. We are still trying not to eat every no longer scarce calorie we see.

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inkan9d ago

Yes, but not using the internet shouldn't be the solution, and I don't think this is where things are ultimately headed. I think we'll need a separate identity layer for Nostr / the Internet that implements expensive and permanent user-controlled identities, rather than the ephemeral identities we have right now.

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Laeserin9d ago

We have that, with NIP-05. If you have a gitcitadel or theforest or nostr.land NIP-05, then you're either a human or a very useful bot that doesn't pose as a human. That's why I don't see the bots.

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DecBytes9d ago

The Paradox of Choice by Barry Schwartz has a chapter on ‘How the culture of abundance robs us of satisfaction’. You need to embrace some constraints

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inkan9d ago

Staying on a diet is a good metaphor. You also don't try to read every book in the library. Or watch every TV channel. It's not really a new problem.

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𝕋𝕠𝕕𝕕 𝕊𝕞𝕚𝕥𝕙 9d ago

I dont see many bots either

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inkan9d ago

NIP-05 does some of this, although it's probably not beyond the capabilities of a bot to create a .well-known file at some domain. The solution I have in mind are Nostr identities that it costs money to create, and which can be stored permanently in air-gapped cold storage (e.g. in a bank deposit box). This makes the identity very secure and the user can be confident that they will never forfeit their identity through theft of loss of a private key. Having this sort of identity will hopefully encourage people to invest more effort in building a serious online persona. The idea is that this may organically result in higher-quality "content" created by humans, which then in turn makes it easier and maybe even trivial to separate wheat from chaff. An identity of that sort crucially requires a key revocation and replacement mechanism, which I've implemented at Inkan. As far as prototypes / proofs-of-concept go, I'd say it's been working pretty well so far.

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Ingwie Phoenix (aka. birb)9d ago

How about self-owned domains? I "host" my NIP-05 myself.

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Laeserin9d ago

A NIP-05 is better than none, but they actually live by reputation and relationship. It's a certificate, of sorts, and a self-signed certificate isn't as valuable as one signed by a reputable certificate issuer.

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inkan9d ago

NIP-05 is definitely useful. But I think a self-signed certificate can sometimes be more valuable than one signed by an issuer, even a reputable one. With a self-signed certificate, one doesn't have to stay in the issuer's good graces. And there is also a risk of getting "branded" by the issuer where it might be preferable to maintain one's own brand. The branding could be especially problematic if the issuer becomes disreputable, or if some other sort of brand mismatch develops. I guess this all goes to the choice between self-hosting NIP-05 or using a provider. One thing that NIP-05 does not do is protect against key loss or theft. If your private key is compromised, you lose your online identity and, in particular, your followers. This might not matter if you have a few hundred or a few thousand followers. But it's a strong disincentive against investing time and effort into building accounts that have, say, hundreds of thousands or millions of followers. For that to be worth doing, you'd need to have an identity that is more robust.

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Laeserin9d ago

I don't see the conflict, as you can have more than one NIP-05 in your tags.

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inkan9d ago

It's still a form of branding, you'll just be wearing multiple brands. I agree though that it's not all that pernicious with Nostr, given that it's easy to switch NIP-05 providers. It's different with legacy social media. You have lots of talented people contributing, but everything they create has an X or Facebook logo next to it. It's as if they were working for these companies.

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Ingwie Phoenix (aka. birb)8d ago

That's weird... I only ever really configured ingwie@birb.it as a static JSON on my host. I _might_ have a Primal one and _perhaps_ a Nostree one?... Which ones are you seing for me? Really want to know.

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inkan8d ago

I see only ingwie@birb.it.

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Laeserin7d ago

I only see one. You don't have the tags set, just the stringified json. If you want to do multiple NIP05 tags, you need to add them to the kind 0 tag list, where the client tag is. https://aitherboard.imwald.eu/profile/npub1tcekjparmkju6k… { "content": "{\"about\":\"[ENG/GER] NOT a bitcoiner/stacker/maxi. I am here to have a damn good time!\\nRabbithole conniseur; I enjoy random stuff. :D\\nEx-Furry, (close to) blind, hobby developer/sysadmin, waifu enjoyer, long hair fetish (#hairjob).\\nI sometimes talk about NSFW stuff; because fucking is fun =)\\n(DMs always open.)\",\"banner\":\"https://m.primal.net/HGyD.jpg/%22,/%22display_name/%22:/%… Phoenix (aka. birb)\",\"lud16\":\"ingwie@birb.it\",\"name\":\"IngwiePhoenix\",\"nip05\":\"ingwie@birb.it\",\"picture\":\"https://www.libravatar.org/avatar/a458f3c9b0497afd9dc2469… Phoenix (aka. birb)\",\"bot\":false,\"fields\":[[\"Nostree\",\"https://nostree.me/ingwie/%22]]%7D%22, "created_at": 1772971068, "id": "83579ed75485168657d2010514530dd7be8b3ae8b741de1258bfea0b23639f21", "kind": 0, "pubkey": "5e336907a3dda5cd58f11d162d8a4c9388f9cfb2f8dc4b469c8151e379c63bc9", "sig": "cdde7887a125dd28e122b3a4f82b49e08375fd34ac1f82eb94a52d24df7ab1c44eb9be8d38d060855d354038d66b4b69d85ce62bdf1ad6e66bc4256f249135a2", "tags": [ [ "client", "Ditto" ] ] }

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