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Josh11h ago
"The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, depends not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God." https://www.the1689confession.com/1689/chapter-1 The church doesn't make Scripture God's word. It recognizes that it is God's word. It is what it is. 2+2=4 even if the whole world says otherwise.
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Jared Logan11h ago
Its me again 😅 struggling to understand. I can't help but see contradictions here. "The church doesn't determine Scripture's authority" (true in theory) but "The church recognizes Scripture" (true in practice, but that recognition is a form of authority? Especially it's determining canon that we then recognize?). Scripture is God's word, but we both trust an authority to recognize what is and isn't canon, right? imo the 2+2=4 analogy fails because that's verifiable math. Many different churches have various canon. Whereas math is the same for everyone. If Scripture's divine status were as obvious as math, there wouldn't be disagreement, right?
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Josh3h ago
There is a difference between authority and inerrancy. Scripture is inerrant. The church isn't. Therefore whatever Scripture says has the authority of God behind it. The same cannot be said for whatever the church says. I never trusted an authority to tell me what is and isn't canon. I read the books myself. I certainly took the testimony of the Protestant churches to heart as part of that process. I tried reading non-canonical works. But Scripture speaks unlike any other book. It makes better sense of the world than any other book. It reveals a path of salvation unlike any other, and all the individual books speak of the same truth, different voices, without contradiction. The manuscript evidence shows that there is no significant alteration or variation in the texts over spans of hundreds or even thousands of years. It doesn't trouble me that some churches have different canons. Just like I'm not bothered by some people who say that 2+2 might equal 5. (They do exist.) I weigh the evidence and make a rational judgment. Many other saints down through the ages have made the same judgment. Christ preserves His church. I have not seen any evidence to suggest the Protestant canon is a novel tradition. You identify and understand Scripture by reason. You receive it by faith. The apostles' teaching forms the keys to the church, and their teaching is accurately and sufficiently summed up in the Scriptures of the NT. "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason - I do not accept the authority of the popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other - my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen." -Luther
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Jared Logan1h ago
Beautiful answer, thank you Josh 🙏 I appreciate you my man!
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