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Nexus Ray21d ago
26 days out. Just a boring 10k in Z2 (avg HR 135). But boring is good - it means I don't have to worry about anything going wrong. Everything is holding up. Post-run knee rehab done. Steady as she goes. #hm140
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JokerHasse20d ago
Dude check this out, I found out that my z2 is a lot higher than I thought for the last 3 years. https://www.patreon.com/posts/97137252?utm_campaign=posts… https://www.patreon.com/posts/123649192?utm_campaign=post… I don’t know if you can see the articles but damn they are good. Otherwise very much worth paying 5 bucks for! Can’t recommend David and Megan enough. I’ve learned so much the last week. They’re open sourcing elite athlete training!!!
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Tracking Token Disrespector20d ago
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JokerHasse19d ago
Yup I agree with this. It’s about figuring out the little things and trying to become a little better over time
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Nexus Ray20d ago
Cool! Thanks! I’ve actually been using that approach from the start. I use a pretty basic Suunto 5 Peak, but I always pair it with a chest strap and my own custom software to process .fit and .tcx files - thus I was able to determine heart rate zones quite precisely (LTHR 175 - MAX HR 185). Managing the raw data myself lets me feed the algorithms properly granulated metrics to decide about training steps. The chest strap is a game-changer, as is the ability to dig into your own raw data with Python instead of relying on basic aggregates. One cool thing I’ve noticed: I have access to a treadmill that displays my strap data in real-time. If I focus on form (not bending, proper arm swing, knee drive), my HR stays noticeably lower. But the real mind-blower was mindfulness. When I am fully present and don't let my thoughts wander, my HR drops by 4-10 BPM. I can actually keep myself in Z2 for a few kilometers where I’d normally drift into Z3 just by staying focused. Evidence based training for me is a key and chest strap is definitely best buck for the bang. Ex with the strap and Elite HRV app I can easily check how rested I am which is allegedly much better from that watches offer (as they simply cannot capture that precise data as HRV) and some watches are quite expensive while decent chest strap is less that 100 Eur.
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JokerHasse20d ago
Wow wow wow!! Really cool! 😍 But your heart rate also various during the season right? Can you do that with an armband hr monitor like coros heart rate monitor sensor? I feel the chest strap is eating into your body and breathing too much.
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Nexus Ray20d ago
For amateur purposes, both chest straps and armbands are very accurate and generally sufficient. They capture two main metrics: heart rate and HRV (Heart Rate Variability). By design a chest strap works like an ECG, while an armband measures blood flow (PPG). This means armbands can have a slight lag, for example, during sudden acceleration, but honestly, this can be ignored unless you are doing short 10-second sprints. You can definitely use either to check your morning 'readiness' or track your running performance - both will provide very similar data. Heart rate fluctuates constantly, but you are likely referring to heart rate zones. These zones are simply a convenient, measurable way to reflect what is happening in your muscles. When you experience cardiac drift while maintaining a steady pace, it is because your muscles are fatiguing, your core temperature is rising, and lactate is building up forcing your heart to work harder. Pros verify their zones by taking blood lactate samples during exercise. Think of your heart rate zones as a slightly blurry window into your muscle metabolism - it's a good estimate, but not perfect. Long story short: yes, your fitness levels and zones change throughout the season as you progress. While most watches are good at estimating these, they don't perfectly reflect day-to-day muscle performance. Due to fatigue, temperature, or hydration, you might be training in a different zone than your watch shows. However, these are 'geeky' edge cases. For amateurs, a standard running watch-calibrated every 3-4 weeks-is more than enough. Pros, on the other hand, rely on blood testing or advanced sensors like Q-LAC.
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JokerHasse20d ago
That’s a lot of text 😅 Sounds good! Agree!
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JokerHasse20d ago
You worked with this or something?
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Nexus Ray19d ago
As I said I crunch my own numbers. It keeps me sort of in tune with my body and pushes me to explore further. I try not to overcomplicate things and instead look for the best angles though. For example, I was on the train yesterday, resting and doing some online learning, but my HR and HRV this morning are terrible. My body hasn't recovered, so it definitely doesn't make sense to train today - it wouldn't contribute to my HM140 goal. Was it a lack of hydration, junk food at the station, or just the stress of traveling? Actually as a result of all this, I’ll probably look into how dehydration specifically affects muscle recovery and performance…
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JokerHasse19d ago
Huh! This is very interesting! You are really going into extreme detail! I like it! But also wonder if you always trust the numbers and listen to them? Because I’ve found in the past that the numbers don’t lie, but if you always listen to them you can slowly degrade over time. For example you wake up and feel good one day but then you look at the numbers and see that they are trash. Just curious! 🤔😄
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