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franzap33d ago
And Nostr will miss an amazing opportunity... again.
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hodlbod33d ago
I've gotten 12 signups in the last few days for my hosting service and traffic has doubled on Flotilla this week. Small numbers still, but I'm hoping to start doing some real marketing this week and next. Maybe I can catch the wave.
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elsat33d ago
Do you have a word of mouth referral mechanism for the current customers?
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hodlbod33d ago
Well I don't currently charge for my service, so no
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elsat33d ago
Not charging doesn’t preclude referrals. Let your customers who love flotilla do marketing for you!
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Vitor Pamplona33d ago
That was supposed to be @hodlbod's job.
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reya33d ago
People are migrating to https://www.rootapp.com/ . Sadly most nostr devs are indie, we cannot compete with coporate.
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Jeroen ✅33d ago
This has been my annoyence with nostr devs. To insist on being a one-man foss team is to forgo building a great product
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Niel Liesmons33d ago
:110percent:
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Niel Liesmons33d ago
Great benchmark, thanks!!
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franzap33d ago
Oh you're on it? Awesome 💪
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franzap33d ago
Of course. I meant if you were going to catch the opportunity
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franzap33d ago
Rooting for ya (not for Root)
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Constant33d ago
The web app bugs out when you try to join a channel when browsing them. Mobile works fine
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Constant33d ago
"Failed to join space. Please try again"
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hodlbod33d ago
Any error in the console? This is in a generic try/catch, could be something related to notification APIs not being available
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reya33d ago
Yes, but people don't realize it's still a corporate product. sooner or later, it will do the same thing as discord does.
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The BTC Philanthropist33d ago
We shall see - bitchat is proof of concept
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lkraider33d ago
“Discord meets bitchat” could be a good marketing hook for Flotilla
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franzap33d ago
bitchat is very different from discord from what I saw
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Joel 🇨🇭33d ago
I would say THEY miss an amazing opportunity... again
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hodlbod32d ago
Sounds like your browser signer doesn't support nip44?
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hodlbod33d ago
what do I offer them in return?
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elsat33d ago
A place for them to communicate with their people without discord-honeypot gulag. You could do social badges of course - e.g. community creator, invited community creator, invited community member etc (see github examples). If someone already found their way to flotilla, and they stick around it means they are receiving value from your product. Find your super spreader customers, and just ask them/make it easy for them to spread the word.
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77a0eb0…7f58ec33d ago
A promise of Flotilla actually reaching feature parity where important with Discord is more than enough. Let early adopters feel involved by taking feature suggestions and make it easy to see progress being made towards the goal (could eg. be a Github issue called "Discordification with a list of features being checkmarked as they are completed, so people can go there to see the current status). Also, if you can push things faster forward by hiring or giving grants to devs in the community, letting the early adopters give you money that specifically will go towards discordification or specific features in that roadmap would be wise.
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Jeroen ✅33d ago
I wish it was different... What have you been working on recently Niel? :)
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Niel Liesmons33d ago
zapstore.dev
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The BTC Philanthropist31d ago
I meant more in proof of user adoption
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elsat33d ago
“reaching feature parity “ sounds nice on paper. In reality the customers switching from discord have a strong enough reason to do this to take risk, endure the pain of a new app that doesn’t have standard pattern of email login, and has a bunch of other novelties that no one has heard of outside our bubble. The core jobs to be done are find my people, associate with my people, talk with my people. From this lens, the difference between flotilla and discord is the gulag. Everything outside the core JTBDs else is bells & whistles.
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77a0eb0…7f58ec33d ago
For each type of community there are certain features that are deal breakers not to have. For instance: - Not having the "delete all messages" function when banning a user is a non-starter for any discord community with public access, not having that would make managing spam impossible. - Not having role based access control makes managing communities with more than a hundred users painful instead of fun. - Not having message retention systems makes use of Flotilla by companies impossible. - Not having voice channels with push to talk means gaming communities can't use Flotilla. Just some examples. I am not asking for complete feature parity, I am talking the features that make Flotilla a non-starter. It isn't actually that many features that are necessary to make it good enough.
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hodlbod33d ago
That's a good distinction, feature parity is madness, but top-line features define what the product is actually useful for
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elsat33d ago
Customer -> problem/jobs-to-be-done -> flotilla benefits (vs status quo discord) -> features. Deal breakers are a real thing - the saudi wave who joined and quit nostr on learning delete doesnt exist in 2023 nostr is a real world dealbreaker example. Have you validated with target customers - lets call them Discord Dodgers - what dealbreakers are, if any (given flotilla’s no gulag positioning)?
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