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waxwing118d ago
Gave a presentation last week on "purecoin", showing basically how ~ 50% embedding rate in "pure" bitcoin transactions with no scripts is inevitable *even if* you force the outputs to prove they are not "fake". 'Fraid the audience had no idea what I was talking about, so I'll post the pdf here: https://files.catbox.moe/tpfc4x.pdf I must apologize for calling it a "very hard fork" because you could actually do it as a soft fork (thanks @ef151c7a…fab69a8b ) but it's hardly relevant. The point is that there is no version of Bitcoin, even a 99% crippled version of it that doesn't allow L2s, that does not allow data embedding, *except* one in which we completely change the cryptography to BLS (any deterministic signature scheme could in theory do it, but nobody is going to seriously suggest hash-based signatures or RSA FDH I think) (thanks @Zero-Knowledge Goof for thoughts on this), *and* totally cripple any programmability. And since quantum is coming (so they tell me!) I see basically no chance of this happening. #bitcoin #cryptography
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YODL118d ago
I shall make time to check this out!
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7772f95…93249a118d ago
The link isn't working for me, but does it have anything to do with answering the question below? 📝 00000193…
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Zero-Knowledge Goof117d ago
It works for me!
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₿-3PO106d ago
(so they tell me)
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waxwing117d ago
I think the site is blocked in certain countries like UK. I should have hosted it on github but tbh there's only a few slides, it only helps a little. Basic ideas already on the bitcoin mailing list "on (in)ability to embed data in Schnorr from a few weeks ago.
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Zero-Knowledge Goof117d ago
Wtf is wrong with the uk
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waxwing117d ago
How long do you have?
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waxwing117d ago
Re: your true or false question: i think the answer might be: technically it's surprisingly false, but it requires almost absurd total redesign of bitcoin; see our discussion here: 📝 8e0371c9…
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waxwing117d ago
And indeed: amount field represents an especially big challenge to prevent embedding, but to be fair it is small and could be smaller. I considered it but keys/signatures are the crucial part.
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