I say through a one hour presentation once, at a resort, just to get a $50 voucher to the hotel store, so I could buy a hat because I had forgotten to bring one. The dude tried to get me to spend 5k for "10k of value". Won't find an other deal that good anywhere else he said. I told him that it sounded like a bad investment, when I could just Bitcoin at 20k, at the time. He got mad and told me how he bought the top and sold 😂 I ended up getting my voucher and got the fedora hat I needed, to not have my head burn in the sun.