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Ava56d ago
RIP #Obtanium on "certified Android devices." "Non-certified OSes, like GrapheneOS, should be unaffected by this for as long as they are allowed to continue to exist." Freedom tech exists on iOS—after developers KYC themselves, even where Apple now allows sideloading under its rules. Android matters because it's open source and allows sideloading without Google's permission. That's why Nostr apps, FOSS tools, and freedom tech took root here. #GrapheneOS works because it preserves that ecosystem without breaking continuity. But now Google's forcing developer KYC for the Play Store on certified devices. The choice becomes: KYC to Google or start over. This is what breaks mobile in a way desktop never broke. On Linux, you can run open-source and closed-source software on the same primary system. On mobile, once the app ecosystem is gated, custom AOSP ROMs don’t get that role. The result is a split by design. As I predicted—for the foreseeable future—stock Android becomes the primary device for most. Privacy ROMs get relegated to secondary use, not because of capability—but because of access. For those whose threat model demands it, privacy ROMs remain the primary device. For everyone else, they become secondary—appealing to those willing to sacrifice convenience for privacy and security, but not the masses. Obtainium dying on stock Android is the warning. After this, the rest is just enforcement. The catch now, however, is that with custom ROMs you’re rebuilding the entire app ecosystem from scratch. On Linux, you can still install closed-source software. On mobile, once you step outside the Google/Apple ecosystem, you’re not just losing a store—you’re losing the distribution, licensing, and services stack a lot of the apps people actually use are built around. That’s Linux on mobile, but without an easy way to carry over the apps people already paid for, depend on for productivity, and use every day. That’s the challenge in front of us right now. https://keepandroidopen.org/ #IKITAO
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LWB56d ago
It's clear that they're either pushing to mass surveillance or complete anarchy, depending on how the people will react. Either we comply or burn the whole thing into the ground.
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The_Crin19d ago
in addition to surveillance, Google has been trying for years to block applications that allow one to browse without ads, since if one does not see the ads, advertisers do not pay them.
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Yojimble56d ago
What is a certified device?
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LWB56d ago
It means that Google is going fullon Apple
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Yojimble56d ago
They're saying stock android won't let you use alternative app stores?
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Yojimble56d ago
@fbe3b119…a2d87124 😶‍🌫️
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Zapstore56d ago
And coming soon, add any open source repo directly to the indexer. No need to go through Obtainium any longer
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Zapstore55d ago
Please explain
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Zapstore55d ago
This is a misconception and conflation of concepts, but it's my fault for not explaining better (although it has been addressed in the latest Zapstore). Define signing? Indexed apps on Zapstore are simply caching what is on Github -for discoverability which is nil in Obtainium- and signing a Nostr event with that. They are NOT signing the APK. So in this sense it has the exact same level of risk than Obtainium. I would say less, because on Zapstore you can tell what you are about to install, in Obtainium it's not that clear because of lacking metadata. By default Zapstore will install from the external/original source, and only fall back if it 404'd:
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Zapstore55d ago
@@fea186c2…0d5bdef2 we're working on splitting relays for indexed vs developer-signed apps; implementing relay management UI as we speak. https://github.com/zapstore/zapstore/issues/205 and soon the ability to hide closed source apps: https://github.com/zapstore/zapstore/issues/197 Hope that brings you back!
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Zapstore55d ago
Coming in next milestone via encrypted 30267 event. https://github.com/zapstore/zapstore/issues/20 No plans for files, you can pull/decrypt the event from relays if necessary
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Ava55d ago
That’s the surface-level version, yeah. But it’s not “just some ID.” It’s the start of identity gating by default for app distribution on certified Android devices—ala Apple. That changes who can publish, how apps get distributed, and what kinds of tools are even allowed to exist. Obtainium isn’t “dying.” It’s being pushed out of the Play-services-backed distribution path on certified Android devices. It still works on non-certified OSes like GrapheneOS running on the same hardware. That’s the point—it’s a clear, concrete example of the shift from permissionless sideloading to attested, identity-linked distribution. The Pixel driver thing is a separate issue. With Android 16, Google stopped publishing the full Pixel device trees and driver binaries in AOSP, which forces custom ROM devs to reverse-engineer hardware support or rely on old binaries. That’s hostile and annoying, but it’s ultimately a hardware choice problem—projects can move off Pixels or work around it. This one isn’t. This one changes the model.
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Ava55d ago
Yes.
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Mark Penney55d ago
Tarkov vibes. 🤫
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Ava46d ago
Good catch. I was waiting on someone to say that.
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GuyFawkes19d ago
For the kids! (Not so they can monitor who is anti- Islam and anti-Israel).
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The_Crin19d ago
the problem is that the same thing has happened with Android with TV for years, there are no other operating system options for commercial cell phones and those that are not mass manufactured there, it is like saying that Google has no reason to improve the product because they know that people have nowhere to go.
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5575a73…eb073219d ago
HarmonyOS lol
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Ava4d ago
Another one bites the dust... NewPipe set to no longer work on Google Certified Devices effective September 2026 Links: https://github.com/woheller69/FreeDroidWarn?tab=readme-ov… https://keepandroidopen.org/ #IKITAO
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CitizenPleb3d ago
😭😭 Going to savor these last few months.
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Prince Aleph3d ago
Heard about this in the morning. It is effectively a crippling of GOS. However, there is GOS partnership with Motorola in the works. However it is going to take a Herculean effort to get freedom tech on mobile working within the draconian timeline being forced on us...
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OzzyHB3d ago
More than gossip.. Should have something by 2028 (hopefully earlier)
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GG Force G3d ago
At least the new ecosystem can be vibe coded.
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OpnState3d ago
Only buying uncertified devices from herein. WhatsApp be damned
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SSage3d ago
Two years feels mad distant right now, doesn't it? What's the Motorola partnership actually looking like?
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